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| ▲ | switchbak 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "Probably poor taste" ... it's the fuckin N word, in the context of software licenses. Of course it's in poor taste, that's putting it mildly. The whole thing reeks of 14 year old turned 38 year old smelly edgelord nonsense, not something I would post, that's for sure. | |
| ▲ | kstrauser 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm sympathetic to Terry saying that. The guy had measurable brain damage, and it's hard to blame someone for doing things when it's their damaged brain that decides to do them. It's like getting mad at a diabetic for having high blood sugar. But I can certainly squint at other people when they spread Terry's quotes and memes. | | |
| ▲ | bluefirebrand 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | > But I can certainly squint at other people when they spread Terry's quotes and memes Someone can use language you disagree with but still have a point if you dig past it. I also happen to personally think it's important to engage with this sort of thinker at least sometimes Insisting on polite, formal language can be a type of bigotry too you know. It's historically pretty classist, and lately also indicates a sort of neuronormative bigotry. Idk, some food for thought | | |
| ▲ | switchbak 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Wait - not conversing with someone who thinks it's fine to post the N word is now classist and some kind of neuro-whateverthefuck bigotry? No it's not, it's enforcing the norms of civil discourse. If they have some kind of actual underlying issue that causes this and it's legit beyond their control - then sure, go the extra mile and try to meet them where they are. If on the other hand, it's some annoying person who likes ruffling feathers on purpose - I really think they ought to be ostracized for such behaviour. | | |
| ▲ | kstrauser 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Right?! I feel like we must be being trolled. Short of something like the recent event with the chap with Tourette's saying awful things at the BAFTA awards, or Terry Davis with schizophrenia saying outlandish stuff, there aren't many scenarios where I'd be willing to give someone a pass on this. If you have the ability to choose not to use the n-word, and you're not in a group that can use it self-referentially among your peers, and you use it anyway, then you're an asshole and I don't really care to hear what else you have to say. I feel pretty OK with that blanket assessment. | | |
| ▲ | bluefirebrand 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Short of something like the recent event with the chap with Tourette's saying awful things at the BAFTA awards, or Terry Davis with schizophrenia saying outlandish stuff, there aren't many scenarios where I'd be willing to give someone a pass on this. "There are some scenarios where you might want to give people a pass for reasons outside their control" is literally the only point I was trying to make So I guess we are in violent agreement? Edit: also, you will never actually discover which people you should give the benefit of the doubt if you categorically dismiss anyone who uses language you dislike |
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| ▲ | bluefirebrand 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > No it's not, it's enforcing the norms of civil discourse You don't see how that is exclusionary to people who struggle with norms? I guess if you're born neurodivergent and can't handle social norms, you don't deserve any kind of grace. You can't ever contribute anything worthwhile or meaningful if you don't live up to all of society's polite norms. Good to know Never change Hacker News | | |
| ▲ | ChrisMarshallNY 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Speaking as one, I have found that I have never gotten "grace" from most folks. A few folks have been especially patient with me, over the years, and for that, I'm grateful; but they haven't been the norm. I used to go to Japan, quite often, and watched Americans violating societal norms, all the time. The Japanese were usually fairly good at not lashing back, but I could often see them visibly restraining themselves. Over the course of about a decade, I learned to at least respect their ways. I found the Germans to be less accepting of annoying Americans (and I was one). I learned a lot quicker, there. I know that many folks think that self-diagnosing as "on the spectrum" is considered some kind of "get out of jail asshole" card, but that's just an urban myth. If you're an asshole, you'll usually be treated like one; no matter the reason. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrblUUIG8So | |
| ▲ | kstrauser 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Oh behalf of the neurodivergent people surrounding me, 100% of whom successfully resist any temptation to say the n-word in my presence that they may ever feel, it's reprehensible that you're conflating racism and neurodiversity. I've never, not once, ever, heard someone blame their racism on ADHD. | | |
| ▲ | bluefirebrand 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You've never encountered someone who is pretty autistic and doesn't care about (or perhaps understand) the social consequences of using slurs? Or someone bipolar who gets kind of erratic and can say really out of character stuff when they are going through a manic episode? Or someone with tourettes that might say something that pops in their head unexpectedly? Sure thing about ADHD. You're right that people with the executive function disorder don't tend to blurt wild social faux pas. But there are also people with social function disorders who might. It doesn't necessarily mean they are terrible people | | |
| ▲ | kstrauser an hour ago | parent [-] | | This is an insultingly narrow definition of "neurodivergent" limited to people with profound impediments to social functions. I'd already explicitly excluded people with Tourette's and other major challenges, but you knew that, so now I presume you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Have a nice day. | | |
| ▲ | bluefirebrand 29 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I just want you to know I'm similarly frustrated with you and also feel you are arguing just to argue, and deliberately trying to take my words in the worst possible light Like seriously. > This is an insultingly narrow definition of "neurodivergent"? No! I'm trying to define it as a broader scope of behaviors than just "my friends with ADHD" like you did! What a frustrating interaction. I hope you're pleased with yourself |
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| ▲ | kstrauser 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ahem, bullshit. No. There's a huge, eye-wateringly vast gap between impolite, informal language and racial slurs. I happen to personally think it's completely unimportant to engage with someone actively calling someone else the n-word. That's not classist, and in no way neuronormative bigotry, unless we're classifying racism and generalized bastardry as a mental illness. |
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| ▲ | lynndotpy 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | In the most generous interpretation possible, I still would not say it has taken on a "life of its own", it's still very well rooted in the context of the belief the CIA plants black people in locations for gangstalking. |
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