> they are a civilised western country

Not sure if I understand it correctly, are you saying:

1. western countries bomb civilians, kill them, put them in jail without court, have ethnonationalistic racist state where some races has more rights and others have less, steal land from others, bomb neighbours because someone is hiding there, ignite wars, lobby/bribe powerful country politicians to reach their own goals

2. are you saying Israel didn't commit any of this?

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C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Not sure if I understand it correctly, are you saying: 1. western countries bomb civilians, kill them, put them in jail without court, have ethnonationalistic racist state where some races has more rights and others have less, steal land from others, bomb neighbours because someone is hiding there, ignite wars, lobby/bribe powerful country politicians to reach their own goals

Sir, have you read about Western countries' imperial and colonial past, even over the last century alone? What about just the last 2 years, as they stood by Israel in every meaningful way while from time to time 'expressing concern' and issuing statements that 'international law must be respected' as the hypocrites that they are? The original commenter was correct: Israel fits right in.

I understand that appealing to myths of noble intentions of western populations is ultimately a good thing if it gets them to act more like it, but a part of me can't resist pointing out that it's just a myth and it's never been anything other than 'might makes right'. I agree with your goal, just please don't frame it as if western countries are these beacons of morality when they're anything but.

	▲	ArmadilloGang 44 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		They were not framing it that way. They were proposing a retort to someone else that suggested Israel is a civilized western country. The person you are responding to was saying that for that to be true (Israel = civilized western nation) that either it is civilized to do all those awful things or that Israel is not doing those things. Obviously, both are false. So you are responding to someone who agrees with you all the way.

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haght 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Israel doesn't target civilicans specifically, but they don't really care about coladeral damage. i don't see any problem with this

what do you mean "put in jail without court"? give me examples

whaat is the problem with having an ethnonationalistic racist state? and also, arabs have the same rights as jews in israel, because israel is a civilised western country where the law has power.

>lobby/bribe powerful country politicians to reach their own goals yes, they do this. and who is to blame? you, who elected the said politicians, and allowed it to happen, or israel, that utilized its power to achieve its goals? i don't support israel lobbying, and i wish it didn't happen, but everyone is so easyly fooled, and it is so obvious, that we can no longer say it's israels fault. it's the west who has to do something about it.

> 2. are you saying Israel didn't commit any of this? some of the things they didn't comming, some things that did commit and it is not a problem as you present it, and some things they did comming, which indeed as a problem. but there's no perfect state.

i hate israel, but definitely not because it bombs hamas terrorists.