| ▲ | adamsb6 4 hours ago |
| It is a bit chilling to watch these astronaut profiles having just read yesterday about the heat shield issues observed on the prior mission, and that this will be the first time we can test the heat shield in the actual pressures and temperatures that it will have to endure. Godspeed crew of Artemis II. |
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| ▲ | mikkupikku 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It'll probably turn out fine (in the same way that you'll probably survive one round of Russian roulette.) I am quite nervous about this though. |
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| ▲ | dguest 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Get nervous in 10 days, they won't need a heat shield until reentry. | | |
| ▲ | ge96 an hour ago | parent [-] | | 10 days? Hope they brought snacks Seriously though I hope they're able to get up and walk around I don't know if I could handle that 10 days in that small room | | |
| ▲ | vibe42 an hour ago | parent [-] | | They can move around after they switch from launch to spaceflight config. Apparently they also have some exercise gear for the journey. | | |
| ▲ | ge96 an hour ago | parent [-] | | It is just the capsule though? There's no stage under them/another cylinder? Module Trying to imagine how big the thing is like 10x10 feet room | | |
| ▲ | NetMageSCW a minute ago | parent [-] | | Just the capsule - there is a module but it can’t be reached and is for more engines that they will leave behind. |
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| ▲ | hypeatei 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > in the same way that you'll probably survive one round of Russian roulette Is that with or without spinning the chamber between rounds? The odds are worse if you spin each time. They get worse as the game goes on if you don't spin. | | |
| ▲ | zorobo 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > The odds are worse if you spin each time. How do they get worse if you spin?
It’s still 1/6 odds of dying,iid events. | | |
| ▲ | lukan 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Erm no. If it goes a round and gets passed without spinning, the chances change of course. It is 1/6, 1/5, 1/4, 1/3, 1/2, .. 1 | | |
| ▲ | mikkupikku 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I didn't think of the gun getting passed around. To me, "one round" is pulling the trigger once after spinning the cylinder with one bullet. 1-in-6 chance of dying, you'll probably live. That's how I feel about this mission, I think they'll probably live, but man I'm nervous. | |
| ▲ | cosmicgadget 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | ... 1/0 |
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| ▲ | hypeatei 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's 6/11 overall chance of dying if spinning, no? From a quick search, this page explains it: https://mathworld.wolfram.com/RussianRoulette.html | |
| ▲ | Teever 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Dude, it's a nerd-snipe conversation derailing attempt. Don't take the bait. Talk about space stuff here, not the statistical nature of Russian roulette. | | |
| ▲ | pc86 an hour ago | parent [-] | | How about don't tell other people what they can and can't talk about, and just ignore side threads you don't care about? There are about 500 different HN browser extensions that let you collapse threads, btw. | | |
| ▲ | encrypted_bird 38 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Not parent, but I am genuinely curious: is there a Hacker News browser extension you'd recommend? The text is so small by default that even though I'd like to read on my desktop, I typically only browse it via the Hacki android app. |
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| ▲ | ck2 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I had to watch "go at throttle up" on replay on the news in 1986 for the entire year, like almost every newscast I was only a teenager and it burned into my brain badly To this day cannot watch any launch with people onboard live |
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| ▲ | TeMPOraL 22 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The event itself was a few years before my time, but after reading about it and eventually watching the historical news footage, the phrase "go at throttle up" also seared itself into my brain, and ever since I flinch when I hear it. |
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| ▲ | xnx 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Truly. I'm not sure why anyone needs to be on the rocket at all, let alone our best and brightest. |
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| ▲ | areoform 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Because human beings are remarkably capable, especially the best and the brightest. There's a great paper called the "dispelling the myth of robotic efficiency." https://academic.oup.com/astrogeo/article-abstract/53/2/2.22... // https://lasp.colorado.edu/mop/files/2019/08/RobotMyth.pdf Yes, a robot car that drives on its own will be a better driver than most humans who text and drive, or have 400ms reaction times. But making a machine that can beat a 110ms reaction time human with 2SD+ IQ, and the ability to override the ground controllers with human curiosity is much harder. Humans have high dexterity, are extremely capable of switching roles fast, are surprisingly efficient, and force us to return back home. So in terms of total science return, one Apollo mission did more for lunar science and discovery than 53 years of robots on the surface and in orbit. | | |
| ▲ | teraflop an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | How does any of that matter for this mission, which will not be landing on the moon? | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > How does any of that matter for this mission This is a fair question. The closest answer I can get is eyes and ears onboard complement sensors. | | |
| ▲ | TeMPOraL 18 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It's also rehearsing/testing/experience gathering for an eventual mission that will land people on the Moon again. Missions don't happen in isolation. | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 9 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > Missions don't happen in isolation True. I wasn’t thinking about training the ground crews. | | |
| ▲ | TeMPOraL a few seconds ago | parent [-] | | Only in the last few minutes, the livestream actually covered various goals this mission - explicitly a test mission - is meant to achieve. For example, one they just mentioned is they're doing some docking maneuvers practice. This is not just training the current flight crew and ground crews, but is also generally testing the entire system - including operations and hardware too, with feedback important to logistics and component manufacturers, etc. With possible exception of Falcon 9 launches, space missions are still infrequent enough that each of them is providing knowledge and experience meaningfully relevant to all work in and adjacent to space exploration and space industry. |
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| ▲ | tekla 13 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | To test the stuff that will allow to land humans on the moon |
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| ▲ | dekhn an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Are you referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troctolite_76535
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Schmitt#NASA_career)? | | |
| ▲ | areoform 18 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yes, and more! > Apollo was over three orders of magnitude more efficient in producing scientific papers per day of fieldwork than are the MERs. This is essentially the same as Squyres’ (2005) intuitive estimate given above, and is consistent with the more quantitative analogue fieldwork tests reported by Snook et al. (2007).
Scientific papers are a pretty poor measure of productivity so here's another one. We know about the existence of He-3 thanks to samples brought back from astronauts on the moon. Astronauts setup fiddly UV telescope experiments on the moon, trying to set up a gravimeter to measure gravitational waves, digging into the soil to put explosive charges at different ranges for seismic measurement of the moon's subsurface... They were extremely productive. Most of what we know about the moon happened thanks to the 12 days spent on the lunar surface.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_Ultraviolet_Camera/Spectro... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Surface_Gravimeter |
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| ▲ | techteach00 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Because they want to be on the rocket. To see the moon up close with your own eyes? It's spiritual. | | |
| ▲ | palata an hour ago | parent [-] | | I understand why they want to fly. I don't understand why the people is fine paying taxes for that. | | |
| ▲ | TeMPOraL 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Some are. Money being fungible and all, the rest can pretend their tax money is going exclusively to their favorite programs, whether that's healthcare or environment or building roads or starting wars or funding more startups or whatever. | |
| ▲ | anon291 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Independent of how scientifically awesome this is, this is probably the most cost effective long term propaganda. Why waste money on posters when you can orbit the moon. |
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| ▲ | sandworm101 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It is a test of the spacecraft. They need people onboard to test all the human systems. But yes, if this was a purely scientific flyby and not part of a larger manned program, machines would do it fine. | |
| ▲ | cogman10 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah. Doesn't really make sense. The entire mission could be done remotely. Even with a goal of eventually putting humans on the moon, it'd be better to do an automated run, measure everything in the cockpit, and put in sandbags and/or something to consume O2 to make sure the CO2 scrubbers are working correctly. It's maybe cruel, but a few dogs would work fine for that sort of thing. A flame would be better, but it's pretty dangerous. The first mission in decades doesn't need to have humans in it. | | |
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| ▲ | Betelbuddy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is a NASA cover up: https://youtu.be/pzZWs7CexYI?t=78 https://youtu.be/Wuao1LgO66w?t=218 |
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| ▲ | russdill 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I mean, that's how these heat shields work. They aren't reusable, you can't test them and then use them again. Or do you mean the design? We already did Artemis I. |
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| ▲ | palata an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | See this recent blog post about it (I am not the author): https://idlewords.com/2026/03/artemis_ii_is_not_safe_to_fly.... It says that it is not safe to fly. They are sending humans without having tested in real conditions that their design was sound, GIVEN that the first time they did that (without humans), it turned out that their design was unsafe. | | |
| ▲ | russdill 32 minutes ago | parent [-] | | An article written by a "Polish-American web developer, entrepreneur, speaker, and social critic" says it's not safe to fly. And? What do the astronauts flying on board with significantly more information say? | | |
| ▲ | glenstein 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Did you read it? They're prolific here and the essence of the post is a bunch of citations and quotes from Nasa's own staff and literature. | | |
| ▲ | russdill 4 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yes, I've also read material outside of that article from NASA's own staff and literature. Statements like this: "Put more simply, NASA is going to fly Artemis II based on vibes, hoping that whatever happened to the heat shield on Artemis I won’t get bad enough to harm the crew on Artemis II." Are just so intellectually dishonest and completely ignore the extensive research and testing that's gone into qualifying this flight. |
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| ▲ | adamsb6 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I mean the design. They've changed the AVCOAT to be less permeable and altered the re-entry profile. One of the findings of Artemis I is that lack of permeability led to trapped gas pockets which expanded and blew out pieces of heat shield. The reason for the change to be less permeable is to make it easier to perform ultrasonic testing, not to improve performance. They altered the re-entry profile on the theory that the skip period contributed to spalling, but Charles Camarda disagrees in this doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ddi792xdfNXcBwF8qpDUxmZz... > Another chart which the Artemis Tiger Team did not intend to show on Jan. 8th, was the figure showing the spallation events as a function of time during the skip entry heating profiles (Figure 6.0-4 of NESC Report TI-23-0189 Vol. 1). In this figure, it was quite clear that the Program narrative they were feeding to the press, that it was the dwell time during the skip which allowed the gases generated to build up and cause the delta pressures which caused most of the spallation was, again, patently false. In fact, during the first heat pulse (t ≈ 0 to 240 sec), approximately 40-45% of all the medium to large chunks of ablator spalled off the Artemis I heatshield. > Hence, varying the trajectory would do little to prevent spallation during Artemis II. I was never shown the new, modified trajectory at the Jan. 8th meeting. | |
| ▲ | 4khilles 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The heat shield is a bit different, and the reentry profile is a bit different as well. | | |
| ▲ | russdill an hour ago | parent [-] | | I suppose "this will be the first time we can test this slightly modified heat shield in the slightly different pressures and temperatures that it will have to endure." isn't quite as eye catching. | | |
| ▲ | andrewflnr 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah, that's what "untested" means in spaceflight. | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 18 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > that's what "untested" means in spaceflight Sort of. At a certain threshold, everything is untested. I’d put this closer to modified than untested—the general config was tested in Artemis I and the specific configuration in a variety of ground tests. |
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| ▲ | groby_b an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I mean, sure. But that's like equipping a sub with a screen door and claiming that in the grand scheme of things, it's a slightly different door with slightly different permeability characteristics. |
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| ▲ | wat10000 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | We already did Artemis I and the heat shield lost a lot more material than it was supposed to on that flight. "Specifically, portions of the char layer wore away differently than NASA engineers predicted, cracking and breaking off the spacecraft in fragments that created a trail of debris rather than melting away as designed. The unexpected behavior of the Avcoat creates a risk that the heat shield may not sufficiently protect the capsule’s systems and crew from the extreme heat of reentry on future missions." Fixes have been made to the design, but they haven't been tested in flight. |
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| ▲ | willis936 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| That was the intent of the piece. It is impossible to assess the true intent of such a piece when it so blatantly is asking for attention. |
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| ▲ | propagandist 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Some people are great at self promotion. | | |
| ▲ | magicalist 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Some people are great at self promotion. We're commenting on NASA's live stream that exists to get us pumped up about the tens of billions of dollars we overpaid for this launch. I'm probably much more happy than the next guy about getting to see a flyby of the moon this week even if I really wish we'd gotten here another way, but the accusation is a bit funny in this thread in particular. | | |
| ▲ | blks 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | What’s the another way? | | |
| ▲ | bregma 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You could just re-use the studio where they faked the Apollo 11 landing except it was in 7 WTC which was destroyed in a controlled demolition to hide the evidence. | | |
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| ▲ | hluska 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Are you actually surprised that a livestream paid for my NASA would promote NASA? Geez, that’s innocent. |
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