Remix.run Logo
Remix clone Hacker News
new | show | ask | jobsGithub
▲ 4gotunameagain 6 days ago

Good for them. Defending their country from an unprovoked invasion.

The hypocrisy of the west is astounding. I hope this is creates a breach between US / Israel relationships. Israel has become pure evil.

▲fakedang 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

Israel always was, at least for the last 2 decades. We all (including me) were just too blind and stupid to see through it.

If you want to form an opinion around Israel, I would've suggested, in better times, visiting the Red Crescent center in Doha accommodating and treating Gazan women and children.

▲mcv 6 days ago | parent [-]

Lots of people did see it, but politicians were way too tied up with Israel to allow even the slightest criticism. I hope that's finally going to change now, because Israel really needs to be reined in. (Iran too, the US too, and Russia too.)

▲jameshilliard 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Good for them. Defending their country from an unprovoked invasion.

It's hardly unprovoked.

> The hypocrisy of the west is astounding.

How is it at all hypocritical for the west to want to stop a regime of terrorists like the one in Iran?

> Israel has become pure evil.

Israel didn't murder over 30,000 of their own citizens in 2 days by firing automatic weapons into crowds of protesters, that was the Islamic regime in Iran. When it comes to western values in the middle east Israel is very obviously doing better that any other country in the region, despite Israels issues.

▲4gotunameagain 5 days ago | parent [-]

While Israel is not a regime of terrorists ? They are starving out children for christ's sake. Are these the western values you're talking about ?

Or, okay, I understand. They are expanding and occupying the colony of Israel, that is quite a western value indeed, I'll give you that.

▲jameshilliard 5 days ago | parent [-]

> They are starving out children for christ's sake.

Israel has facilitated sufficient aid into Gaza to prevent starvation.

> They are expanding and occupying the colony of Israel, that is quite a western value indeed, I'll give you that.

Do you share the view of the Islamic Regime in Iran that Israel should not exist?

▲4gotunameagain 4 days ago | parent [-]

> Israel has facilitated sufficient aid into Gaza to prevent starvation.

Should I believe the UN, or some random zionist online ?

> Do you share the view of the Islamic Regime in Iran that Israel should not exist?

I certainly believe they are the source of aggression, violence, pain and misery in the region. They are constantly invading and occupying the homeland of other people, as they are doing RIGHT NOW in lebanon and constantly in palestine.

I also believe that what is written in a two thousand year old religious book does NOT give anybody any valid claim to land, and that israel at this point is a planted western colony in a place where people have been living for thousands of years.

Do you believe that israel has a holy mandate to be there and carry its actions ?

▲jameshilliard 4 days ago | parent [-]

> Should I believe the UN

When it relates to anything involving Israel the UN clearly has zero credibility[0].

> I certainly believe they are the source of aggression, violence, pain and misery in the region.

Then you clearly have no understanding of the history of the region, there are plenty of conflicts essentially unrelated to Israel in the region that have had far higher casualties.

> They are constantly invading and occupying the homeland of other people, as they are doing RIGHT NOW in lebanon and constantly in palestine.

Jews have continuously lived in that region for thousands of years. Both sides can make arguably legitimate claims to the region being their homeland. Lebanon is essentially a failed state at this point as their government is unable to prevent Iranian militias from attacking Israel, aside from a small number of extremists in Israel there is little desire for any permanent Israeli settlement in Lebanon.

> I also believe that what is written in a two thousand year old religious book does NOT give anybody any valid claim to land, and that israel at this point is a planted western colony in a place where people have been living for thousands of years.

Most Israelis were born in and have lived essentially their entire lives in Israel at this point, no need to involve religious books to see that Israel is their homeland at this point.

> Do you believe that israel has a holy mandate to be there and carry its actions ?

I don't believe in any holy mandates or supernatural claims at all.

[0] https://unwatch.org/2025-unga-resolutions-on-israel-vs-rest-...

▲4gotunameagain 4 days ago | parent [-]

> When it relates to anything involving Israel the UN clearly has zero credibility[0].

Or that bias could be entirely explained by the heinous actions of israel.

> Then you clearly have no understanding of the history of the region, there are plenty of conflicts essentially unrelated to Israel in the region that have had far higher casualties.

This is not even an argument. Because conflicts exist, a colony has the right to exist and create more ?

> Lebanon is essentially a failed state at this point as their government is unable to prevent Iranian militias from attacking Israel

Need I remind you that Hezbollah was founded DIRECTLY as a reaction to the 1982 israeli invasion of Lebanon ? No israel = no Hezbollah

> Most Israelis were born in and have lived essentially their entire lives in Israel at this point

So have all the Palestinians that are displaced and cannot even visit the places they were born, because they are occupied by israel. How can you seriously support all this ? Should israel occupy the entire west bank and gaza and keep starving and impoverishing the Palestinians ?

Did israel ever try to live peacefully with its neighbours ? No, it viewed them as the de facto enemy, conducting "preventative" strikes (i.e. attacking them). Israel does not want peace. It is de facto the source of pain and misery for people, including the israelis.

▲jameshilliard 4 days ago | parent [-]

> Or that bias could be entirely explained by the heinous actions of israel.

There are far worse conflicts in the world than the Israel Palestine conflict...so no that would not explain it.

> Because conflicts exist, a colony has the right to exist and create more ?

There are many countries around the world that have colonial origins in some form, should the US not have a right to exist today since in the past it was a colony?

> Need I remind you that Hezbollah was founded DIRECTLY as a reaction to the 1982 israeli invasion of Lebanon ? No israel = no Hezbollah

You seem to forget that the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982 was a reaction to PLO terrorist attacks, if the PLO or any other groups weren't attacking from Lebanon then there wouldn't have been an invasion of Lebanon.

> So have all the Palestinians that are displaced and cannot even visit the places they were born, because they are occupied by israel.

How many Palestinians were born in Israel proper and don't have Israeli citizenship? I don't think it would be many at this point.

> Should israel occupy the entire west bank and gaza and keep starving and impoverishing the Palestinians ?

Clearly unilateral disengagement is not the solution, Israel tried that in 2005 in Gaza and it failed with catastrophic results for both Palestinians and Israelis. What's needed is a peace agreement, but for various reasons Palestinian leadership has not been willing to attempt to negotiate one in good faith.

> Did israel ever try to live peacefully with its neighbours ?

Yes, in fact Israel does have peace agreements with neighboring countries like Egypt and Jordan.

> Israel does not want peace.

Israel clearly does want peace and has in fact come to peace agreements with former enemy states. Israel gave the Sinai back to Egypt in exchange for a peace agreement which has held to this day.

▲4gotunameagain 4 days ago | parent [-]

At this point I do not know whether you're trolling, or if you're paid by unit 8200. Because nobody can seriously make this leaps in their arguments to legitimise a genocide, and to defend a country that is spreading pain and misery, including to the rest of the west with the economic ramifications of the most recent war.

In any case, I will disengage.

▲jameshilliard 4 days ago | parent [-]

> At this point I do not know whether you're trolling, or if you're paid by unit 8200.

Or maybe, some of us aren't blindly following the propaganda pushed by terrorist organizations like Hamas and the Islamic Regime in Iran like you seem to be.

> Because nobody can seriously make this leaps in their arguments to legitimise a genocide, and to defend a country that is spreading pain and misery, including to the rest of the west with the economic ramifications of the most recent war.

You're making all sorts of wild claims like there being a genocide, a claim that clearly is not backed up by the actual facts, despite what some highly biased organizations may be claiming. The country instigating most of the conflicts in the region is Iran, not Israel. The country deliberately firing drones and missiles at civilian targets against virtually every country in the entire region is Iran.

▲4gotunameagain 3 days ago | parent [-]

Shalom

▲cineticdaffodil 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Unprovoked? They have been waging a proxxy war against the west since the 80s?

▲rayiner 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

[flagged]

▲4gotunameagain 6 days ago | parent [-]

Yes, and Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, I know. Shalom.

▲rayiner 6 days ago | parent [-]

Did the Biden administration cook up an assassination attempt to provide Trump a pretext for invading Iran? Maybe, but Iran has a track record of provocations like that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings

Iraq had no similar track record of attacking the U.S.

▲oa335 6 days ago | parent [-]

> Iran has a track record of provocations like that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings

> I agree the U.S. does a lot of “unprovoked invasions.”

Sending U.S troops to intervene in a foreign civil war (1982) seems fairly provocative, along with fomenting a coup (1953), supporting a repressive regime, then harboring the illegitimate unpopular leader after he is overthrown (1979).

▲rayiner 5 days ago | parent [-]

Nationalizing infrastructure that had been built by and at the expense of foreign countries was pretty provocative too.