While Israel is not a regime of terrorists ? They are starving out children for christ's sake. Are these the western values you're talking about ?

Or, okay, I understand. They are expanding and occupying the colony of Israel, that is quite a western value indeed, I'll give you that.

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jameshilliard 5 days ago | parent [-]

> They are starving out children for christ's sake.

Israel has facilitated sufficient aid into Gaza to prevent starvation.

> They are expanding and occupying the colony of Israel, that is quite a western value indeed, I'll give you that.

Do you share the view of the Islamic Regime in Iran that Israel should not exist?

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4gotunameagain 4 days ago | parent [-]

> Israel has facilitated sufficient aid into Gaza to prevent starvation.

Should I believe the UN, or some random zionist online ?

> Do you share the view of the Islamic Regime in Iran that Israel should not exist?

I certainly believe they are the source of aggression, violence, pain and misery in the region. They are constantly invading and occupying the homeland of other people, as they are doing RIGHT NOW in lebanon and constantly in palestine.

I also believe that what is written in a two thousand year old religious book does NOT give anybody any valid claim to land, and that israel at this point is a planted western colony in a place where people have been living for thousands of years.

Do you believe that israel has a holy mandate to be there and carry its actions ?

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jameshilliard 4 days ago | parent [-]

> Should I believe the UN

When it relates to anything involving Israel the UN clearly has zero credibility[0].

> I certainly believe they are the source of aggression, violence, pain and misery in the region.

Then you clearly have no understanding of the history of the region, there are plenty of conflicts essentially unrelated to Israel in the region that have had far higher casualties.

> They are constantly invading and occupying the homeland of other people, as they are doing RIGHT NOW in lebanon and constantly in palestine.

Jews have continuously lived in that region for thousands of years. Both sides can make arguably legitimate claims to the region being their homeland. Lebanon is essentially a failed state at this point as their government is unable to prevent Iranian militias from attacking Israel, aside from a small number of extremists in Israel there is little desire for any permanent Israeli settlement in Lebanon.

> I also believe that what is written in a two thousand year old religious book does NOT give anybody any valid claim to land, and that israel at this point is a planted western colony in a place where people have been living for thousands of years.

Most Israelis were born in and have lived essentially their entire lives in Israel at this point, no need to involve religious books to see that Israel is their homeland at this point.

> Do you believe that israel has a holy mandate to be there and carry its actions ?

I don't believe in any holy mandates or supernatural claims at all.

[0] https://unwatch.org/2025-unga-resolutions-on-israel-vs-rest-...

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4gotunameagain 4 days ago | parent [-]

> When it relates to anything involving Israel the UN clearly has zero credibility[0].

Or that bias could be entirely explained by the heinous actions of israel.

> Then you clearly have no understanding of the history of the region, there are plenty of conflicts essentially unrelated to Israel in the region that have had far higher casualties.

This is not even an argument. Because conflicts exist, a colony has the right to exist and create more ?

> Lebanon is essentially a failed state at this point as their government is unable to prevent Iranian militias from attacking Israel

Need I remind you that Hezbollah was founded DIRECTLY as a reaction to the 1982 israeli invasion of Lebanon ? No israel = no Hezbollah

> Most Israelis were born in and have lived essentially their entire lives in Israel at this point

So have all the Palestinians that are displaced and cannot even visit the places they were born, because they are occupied by israel. How can you seriously support all this ? Should israel occupy the entire west bank and gaza and keep starving and impoverishing the Palestinians ?

Did israel ever try to live peacefully with its neighbours ? No, it viewed them as the de facto enemy, conducting "preventative" strikes (i.e. attacking them). Israel does not want peace. It is de facto the source of pain and misery for people, including the israelis.

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jameshilliard 4 days ago | parent [-]

> Or that bias could be entirely explained by the heinous actions of israel.

There are far worse conflicts in the world than the Israel Palestine conflict...so no that would not explain it.

> Because conflicts exist, a colony has the right to exist and create more ?

There are many countries around the world that have colonial origins in some form, should the US not have a right to exist today since in the past it was a colony?

> Need I remind you that Hezbollah was founded DIRECTLY as a reaction to the 1982 israeli invasion of Lebanon ? No israel = no Hezbollah

You seem to forget that the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982 was a reaction to PLO terrorist attacks, if the PLO or any other groups weren't attacking from Lebanon then there wouldn't have been an invasion of Lebanon.

> So have all the Palestinians that are displaced and cannot even visit the places they were born, because they are occupied by israel.

How many Palestinians were born in Israel proper and don't have Israeli citizenship? I don't think it would be many at this point.

> Should israel occupy the entire west bank and gaza and keep starving and impoverishing the Palestinians ?

Clearly unilateral disengagement is not the solution, Israel tried that in 2005 in Gaza and it failed with catastrophic results for both Palestinians and Israelis. What's needed is a peace agreement, but for various reasons Palestinian leadership has not been willing to attempt to negotiate one in good faith.

> Did israel ever try to live peacefully with its neighbours ?

Yes, in fact Israel does have peace agreements with neighboring countries like Egypt and Jordan.

> Israel does not want peace.

Israel clearly does want peace and has in fact come to peace agreements with former enemy states. Israel gave the Sinai back to Egypt in exchange for a peace agreement which has held to this day.

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4gotunameagain 4 days ago | parent [-]

At this point I do not know whether you're trolling, or if you're paid by unit 8200. Because nobody can seriously make this leaps in their arguments to legitimise a genocide, and to defend a country that is spreading pain and misery, including to the rest of the west with the economic ramifications of the most recent war.

In any case, I will disengage.

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jameshilliard 4 days ago | parent [-]

> At this point I do not know whether you're trolling, or if you're paid by unit 8200.

Or maybe, some of us aren't blindly following the propaganda pushed by terrorist organizations like Hamas and the Islamic Regime in Iran like you seem to be.

> Because nobody can seriously make this leaps in their arguments to legitimise a genocide, and to defend a country that is spreading pain and misery, including to the rest of the west with the economic ramifications of the most recent war.

You're making all sorts of wild claims like there being a genocide, a claim that clearly is not backed up by the actual facts, despite what some highly biased organizations may be claiming. The country instigating most of the conflicts in the region is Iran, not Israel. The country deliberately firing drones and missiles at civilian targets against virtually every country in the entire region is Iran.

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