| ▲ | lerp-io a day ago |
| dont you gain skills with ai? it teaches you how to do stuff, you ask it questions, etc like a tutor? |
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| ▲ | curt15 a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| Perhaps if you're the highly motivated type who would excel even without ai. But it's far too easy to become like maths students who learn only how to use a calculator instead of how to actually add fractions. |
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| ▲ | bob1029 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Learning and suffering seem to be linked to some degree. It takes a lot of up front pain to get to a point where you can become an effective autodidact. You have to develop an appreciation for the game. AI can accelerate aspects of this, but it often alleviates too much suffering for a novice to develop the fundamentals. If you go into AI as a way to get your school work done more quickly, you won't experience the friction you need to. AI should be used to make the work longer and deeper. More engaging and adapted to the individual. Not quicker and easier. The problem is that AI is the most effective dual use technology we have ever created with regard to education and cheating at education. The monkey brain doesn't like to suffer, so on average I think we find most people tend toward the shittier use case. |
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| ▲ | simianwords a day ago | parent [-] | | One could have said the same things when calculators were invented. Is routine suffering by adding numbers by hand required? Or is it more important to delegate simpler things and focus on complex problems. | | |
| ▲ | Ekaros a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Certainly practising mental arithmetic helps in capability of doing mental arithmetic. Doing adding by hand probably also improves mental arithmetic. The again we are not that far off from time when your AI glasses will read the price label. And then automatically add up total for you. Hopefully you then each time ask what does that total mean in context of your finances... | |
| ▲ | modriano a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I learned math long after the advent of the calculator and went on to study math-heavy fields (physics, mechanical engineering, and data science). I wasn't ever able to really develop deep intuition about/understanding of a calculation until I did it by hand once or twice. I often just plugged in new models and algos just to see if performance was above a threshold, but when I wanted to productionize a new winner, I'd have to run through the algo by hand for a few steps to understand and tune it. And through doing it by hand, the complex became the simple. | | |
| ▲ | functional_dev a day ago | parent [-] | | I am not expert, but I heard brains learn way better when we actually use our hands to write stuff out. like the logic sticks deeper in your head that way... using computer is fast, but sometimes it just goes in one ear and out the other | | |
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| ▲ | bob1029 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | The point is not to make the suffering permanent. It is a temporary phase. A lesson. Once you complete it you can go on to do the automated thing without as much concern. | | |
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| ▲ | array_key_first 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Theoretically yes, in practice it's like 0.001% of people who are able to use it this way. We saw the same thing with the Internet. Infinite knowledge, all at your fingertips. So surely everyone becomes doctors and everyone can program right? No more university needed? Turns out no. The bottleneck has never been information, the bottleneck is you. |
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| ▲ | Schmerika a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Do you think that's how most students are using it? Teachers would quickly disabuse you of that notion [0]: > In study hall, I watched a kid use Snapchat to take pictures of his computer screen. He was working on IXL skills. His Snap A.I. friend sent an immediate reply. He then clicked the answer on his screen. The next question popped up, he took a picture and got an answer. He swiftly went through the whole session this way. His right hand held the phone, he tapped the camera button, glanced at the reply, and his left hand entered the answers on his laptop. He didn’t know I was watching, but I saw the gold medal of 100 percent mastery bloom on his screen. I told the teacher who assigned the IXL. She didn’t realize Snapchat had an A.I. that would do her homework. It can answer all the questions. ... Now, can you use AI to learn things? Sure. But what the article is talking about it is critical thinking: > Adults using AI mostly just sound generic. But for a child who never formed independent reasoning, "generic" is a major identity problem. The model’s reasoning doesn’t compete with the child’s reasoning but becomes the child’s reasoning. For children still building out the cognitive skills for evaluating the world, the effect will not be temporary but have a foundation impact on their thinking. American's performance with critical thinking is already mixed at best. A new generation with even lower independent thinking ability combined with AI painstakingly engineered to suffer from severe bias is a powerful recipe for (even more) horrors beyond human comprehension. Paid for by our tax dollars. 0 - https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/26/learning/teachers-on-how-... |
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| ▲ | lerp-io 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | meh....even before AI i remember memorizing random facts and dumping...the teacher would give flashcards for students to learn they just memorize and then forget. i felt more like some sort of special form of brain cache where i would just dump information in and then flush it after an exam...so maybe its good for imporving some sort of brain feature of short term memory, but i dont think the issue is having access to better information processing. systematic government education is like a one size shoe fits all passing down information bc ppl die and cant hold those correct brain patterns so civilization does not get lost (which may not even be as relevant with any sort of AGI). but individual people have different goals and values. I think education should be more about identifying those goals for the children and letting them figure things out on their own through their own journeys with some sort of feedback loop within some sort of controlled sandbox so they don't "veer" off into paths that are known as harmful for themselves or others and this can be done with AI... maybe where each kid just gets their own tutor and maybe they place them in special personality matching groups or something to improve social abilities with creative play...maybe people need to interact with world in more flexible way to learn through feedback not through indoctrination. like i can see even modern primitive ai being 99% than most teachers now anyway, a teacher just midlessly tells you want u need to know, they have no ability to understand each individual child on personal level or their level, values, abilities etc to put them on the right path for successs. |
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