The solution is to develop relative skill rating systems like Elo.

No, the solution is to exclude male advantage from the female competition via evidence-based analysis, as the IOC's new policy does.

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txrx0000 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Grouping based on skill would achieve what you describe and then some. It would eliminate every kind of advantage, not just sex-based advantage.

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bluescrn 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Sport does that already. The Olympics is the very top skill tier.

So you're just suggesting making everything mixed-sex, and having very few women at the Olympics?

	▲	txrx0000 8 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> So you're just suggesting making everything mixed-sex, and having very few women at the Olympics? Yeah. It would work like video game rankings. Top-ranked players are top-ranked because of skill, and if they happen to be mostly men for most games, so be it. But I get your point. The crux of the problem is most people don't want to see skill-based matchmaking. They want to see the best man, the best woman, or the best disabled person, etc. The categories are already defined in people's minds as cultural constants. The trans people don't like this because they feel excluded by both male and female categories, so they argue in bad faith that there's no physical difference between females and trans-females or males and trans-males. Our long-term options as a society are to either 1) change culture so that people get used to skill-based matchmaking like in video games, or 2) ignore trans people and wait for this issue to disappear when future tech allows a man to transfer his consciousness into a female body and vice versa. Since 2) is quite far out technologically, I propose 1).

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ordersofmag 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not sure how this helps. Olympic events already have relative rating systems that ranks all the participant: pretty complicated and sport dependent systems that determine qualification for the games and competition amongst all the competitors at the games. The problem how to have separate competitions for different groups of participants when there isn't a universally shared agreement on who should be in which group.

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txrx0000 2 hours ago | parent [-]

If you have a relative skill rating system, then there's no need to split competitors into groups. But if you insist, then you can split them based on skill ratings (define a rating range for beginner, intermediate, advanced, etc). And for games with one-on-one matchups, sampling from a gaussian centered on each player's skill rating is good enough.

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kelipso 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It will end up being all men at all the skill rating levels.

	▲	txrx0000 8 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		No it would not. Look at chess ratings.