| ▲ | heathrow83829 11 hours ago |
| to till or not to till, that's the question. one way to look at is check the yields that result from dig vs no dig. Charles dowding did exactly that. for seven years he had two plots, one where he dug and one where he didn't. in each one he added the same amount of compost and grew teh same crops on both sides. Overall, the nodig plot harvest 10% more. but here's where it gets interesting. those yields were not uniformly spread across the vegetable types. if you dig into the data, you'll see, some did quite worse with dig and some did quite better. guess which ones did better on dig? Potatoes, Rutabagas, carrots and parsnips and cabbage all did better in Dig! roughly to the tune of about Potatoes 21%, carrots 21%, Rutabaga 14%, Cabbage, 11%, broad beans 10% better. it's all published in his books. Everything else did better with no dig. Shallots especially did 33% better with no-dig, ales 21% better, onions 22% better with no dig. |
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| ▲ | chongli 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The no dig method has taken on a life of its own, almost a religion. It's probably a mistake for most people though. "One dig" is almost always going to be superior, given soil that has never been used for gardening before. Trying to start a no dig garden in some heavily compacted, organic-poor, heavy clay soil is going to lead to extreme disappointment. |
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| ▲ | chairmansteve 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "Trying to start a no dig garden in some heavily compacted, organic-poor, heavy clay soil is going to lead to extreme disappointment". For sure. In Dowdings method you put a quite thick layer of compost on top of the existing soil. You then top up the compost every year. | |
| ▲ | hansvm 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Man, I wish I had access to heavily compacted, organic-poor, heavy-clay soil. It's the 80% rock that makes even basic tasks a day-long chore. | | |
| ▲ | vlachen 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | A friend of mine retired from the military and moved to my neck of the woods in the Ozarks. Having lived in Eastern North Carolina for most of his 20 years in, he had gotten used to sandy soil with nary a rock. Prior to that, he was in the Twin Cities of Minnesota, and I don't think he dug many holes there. After closing on their new house he asked me for a shovel, for which to install a mailbox. Of course I'd help my friend out. "Sure, buddy!" I said. "Here's a shovel, post-hole digger, pickax and a rock-bar. That should get the job done." After I explained to him that yes, you need a 20 pound pointy chunk of steel to dig any sizable hole around here, he still didn't quite believe me. However, once he got the mailbox planted, he adjusted his beliefs accordingly. On the rare occasion that I have to dig a hole somewhere with actual dirt, I always find myself amazed at how easy it is. Those times help me understand scenes in TV or movies that include someone digging a hole. Those scenes don't ever depict someone deciding to move whatever it is they're putting in the ground because they hit a massive stone at 8 inches into a 24 inch hole, and there ain't any getting through it. The scenes don't depict the Herculean effort required to just plant a tree. Those shows don't show the absolutely back-breaking labor it takes to be a landscaper around here. And before I had the chance to do the same kind of work in actual soil, those scenes just didn't make sense. | |
| ▲ | chongli 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The soil in my backyard has very few rocks but the clay is so hard and dense it may as well be a brick wall. | | |
| ▲ | thatcat 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | When it's wet, but not saturated - like 1-2 days after a rain - you can decompact the soil with a strong metal broadfork and leave the soil in large block aggregates. This keeps the soil structure and maintains some fungal web connections. Add nutrients, wood chips, stick and sand below aggregates and in cracks. Cover with compost and plant clover to cover. |
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| ▲ | fuzzy_biscuit 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | We call that New Jersey here! | | |
| ▲ | moron4hire 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | The dirt in my part of Virginia is almost suitable for pottery straight out of the ground. Just need to filter out the feldspar, quartz, and gold first. | | |
| ▲ | ch4s3 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I go to my mom’s old farm and marvel at the thought of them having grown anything in that hard red ground. |
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| ▲ | ikidd 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The biggest difference in no-till is water infiltration and retention. The next is ability to work land earlier with equipment that would sink in tilled soil when wet. Another is less equipment passes, for fuel use as well as owning the equipment needed to do those passes. On the con side, no-till trades diesel for spray costs. |
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| ▲ | samirillian 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The one straw revolution guy planted root vegetables among fruit trees in orchards I wonder if that would make a difference |
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