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rekrsiv 2 days ago

Quick question: Could they also be manipulating this message board's voting?

Bender 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

If they could get people to install a mobile UI app that fetches instructions on what to up/down-vote, what to flag/vouch then they could and unlikely anyone would notice.

It is unlikely that enough people would check their up/down vote history, vouch and flag history and even then some would assume they fat-fingered such things.

Such a UI could also save and upload username and password to another site. Some people use the same creds on multiple sites.

bjacobel 19 hours ago | parent [-]

Exactly such an app exists.

https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/232163

dplesh a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I take it as obvious, that all message boards are swarmed with bots of different actors, might it be China, Russia, US, Israel, Turkey

Bombthecat 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I just assume nothing is unmanipulated anymore.

Companies, trolls, states etc have it way to easy now

izacus 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Online community spam/brigading has been a normal occurrence since I've been running a message board 15 years ago. At least in Europe.

Seeing a sudden flood of new messages from low use accounts around elections or referendums is normal these days.

Imustaskforhelp 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think a larger question to ask is if could they also be manipulating the people themselves who are reading these message boards prior to this post which later impacts such message board's voting.

stainablesteel 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

assume this is the case on every platform

rendall 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Lol. If Israel could manipulate HN do you think so many anti-Israel posts would appear on the front page, and each mitigating or nuanced comment about Israel would be flagged so quickly? No, Israel does not control or manipulate HN.

hebelehubele 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Vast majority of post critical of Israel get flagged as soon as they get enough traction

jfengel 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Practically everything of political attention gets flagged, even if it is tech related.

There may well be a pro-Israel brigade going out of their way to move that along, but there is an equally rapid anti-Israel brigade. Nothing remains on the front page for long.

rendall 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"Criticizing Israel" is always welcome on HN.

Posts that veer into overt anti-Semitic conspiracy theory get flagged because the mask slips too far and they reveal the game.

aaa_aaa 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I saw many new accounts doing brazen propaganda.

submeta 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe there are lots more articles posted on HN criticising Israel, and only a fraction remains, because they win the up- and downvote war?

rendall 2 days ago | parent [-]

Not a single pro-Israel article, nor even any article that even mentions Israel neutrally, has ever reached the front page of HN in the entire history of HN.

So, no. Israel is not "winning the up- and downvote war" of HN.

submeta a day ago | parent [-]

Why should people post positive articles about Israel when it‘s accused of genocide, its leaders have arrest warrants from international criminal court, when it introduces death penalty for Palestinians only, when its settler terrorise Palestinians in the West Bank, when it starts a war with all its neighbours, and on and on.

rendall 17 hours ago | parent [-]

The accusation is that Israel manipulates HN results. I responded that they do not because if they had been, there would surely be even one single positive article about Israel in the entire two decades of Hacker News' existence. There is not.

Do please try to keep up.

submeta 12 hours ago | parent [-]

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aga98mtl 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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vrganj 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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tempaccount420 2 days ago | parent [-]

Politics are indiscriminately flagged. People don't come to HN to read politics.

adamors a day ago | parent [-]

This is simply not true, this very submission sits comfortably on the front page, so does

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47522709

and

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47518281

and

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47523106

and

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47523169

Unless of course you mean "politics" as in everything you don't like is "politics".