| ▲ | chimpanzee2 5 hours ago |
| Doesn't matter, half of HN will still defend them. |
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| ▲ | GZGavinZhao 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Always baffles me why some people think and act like being proud of their state/country/race and criticizing its actions are mutually exclusive. |
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| ▲ | Imustaskforhelp 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Doesn't matter, half of HN will still defend them. And I would say half can't/won't speak about this. I try to stray away from these discussions sometimes because I feel worried that someone is going to take any comment out of context within these messages which is a bit of a strange way of self censorship actually and I feel like I might not be the only one. It's also worth mentioning that I have found this to be the case especially for Israel. For example, I feel valid criticizing the current American Regime and Americans themselves would agree with me at a a much higher proportion/magnitude compared to Israel in which from my small sample bias of online acquaintances, I only had one Jewish (Living in America, not Israeli) person agree that Israel is doing some pretty horrendous things and although do take this with a grain of salt as something they told me but they said that Zionism and Antisemitism are effectively something comparable as within the Jewish religion, There is an idea of the world hating the Jews as being a pre-condition within Jewish religion for them to win within the end-times theology of the jewish faith. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog I think they were referencing this: Zechariah 14:2 states, "I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it." The idea is that the Jewish people will have no earthly allies left. |
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| ▲ | epolanski 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm quite convinced that Israelis have an edge in communication and socials. And god forbid how easily you're labeled as anti semitic for bringing up facts about Israeli spying and lobbying in the west. Hell, in Italy, neo nazi hooligans go protest for Israel with hundreds of police defending them. Whereas genuine pro Palestinian protests (99 times out of 100 peaceful) met nothing but batons and condemnation. Even the tv narratives about these events is disgusting. It's clear the Israelis know how to do their job. |
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| ▲ | Tostino 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This site definitely has a cohort of completely unhinged war mongers. The same names (and a bunch of random new accounts) never fail to show up to defend genocide or any other atrocities being committed. |
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| ▲ | epolanski 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | This board sure attracts hordes of alt right apologists and anarcho capitalists. And in general a huge lack of empathy and obsession with power and money. I guess it's normal given the coupling to the #1 VC incubator of the #1 country that obsesses over power and money. | | |
| ▲ | Imustaskforhelp 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | You either find some of the most humble, down to earth, open source contributing people who value human life in it of itself within this forum who share as much knowledge/try to do good for the world, or you find people as you mention who completely disregard the previous ideals. There isn't much in-between. I do think that there is some utilitarian aspect to it. Some people might genuinely believe that the losses to human livelihoods/human lives because of AI (yes even with these AI drones now with the deal @OpenAI), the end reality would still make everything worth it and within this distorted view of the future, they believe that everything happening in present is alright for the future and that itself can be used to propose some disgusting idea like eugenics which people might become okay with, as such. And its very easy to switch somewhere within the past of a person being the former to the latter through the ladder steps of altruism to transhumanism to essentially the things we hear from AI hypebros. All the while, a benefit is that especially right now, selling AI sells for profit right now whereas people can question about the morality later/justify it through these distorted lenses that I mentioned. Worth a watch, Can't recommend this video enough, AI is a Eugenics Project : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SSxfa3da58 |
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| ▲ | jstummbillig 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | vrganj 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Is it anti-semitism or anti-Israel sentiment? Because if it's the latter, well, have you taken a look at their behavior recently? Their ethnicity/religion has nothing to do with why people condemn the state. | | |
| ▲ | jmward01 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This exactly. Expressing a view that the Israeli government is causing massive harm to the world right now is not a view on an ethnic or religious group. There is a difference, but I have been noticing a strong attempt to try to link the two. | | |
| ▲ | vrganj 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | It is the shield behind which these war criminals hide, not caring that their behavior is causing an actual surge in antisemitism. |
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| ▲ | nailer 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes it is. Arabs started a war in 1967 and lost some land. Germany started a war in 1939 and lost some land. Nobody on HN is demanding France and Poland return to their 1944 borders. Likewise Germany lost more people than Britain. But HN isn't demanding that Britain stop because Britain is better at defending itself. HN clearly doesn't like Israel, but they don't do it because of Israel's behavior because they don't hate other countries when the same thing happens. Just the 80% Jewish one. | | |
| ▲ | vrganj 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Has Germany been bombing its neighbors lately? | | |
| ▲ | nailer 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | vrganj 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Indeed. But as you might notice, WW2 is almost a century ago at this point. Were they to do it in the present day, they would have to face present day criticism. However, they don't do that anymore, which makes your whole attempt at false equivalency rather hollow. | | |
| ▲ | nailer 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > WW2 is almost a century ago at this point. 1944 and 1967 aren't that far apart. You just think the war won by the Jews needs to be reversed and the war won by the Allies does not. > More false equivalency. You might be projecting there. | | |
| ▲ | vrganj 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | 1945 and 2026 are though. The reasons people dislike Israel today is because of their actions over the past few years. But you know that, you just seek to distort and twist. It is not a conversation for you, it is an opportunity for hateful propaganda. | | |
| ▲ | nailer 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > 1945 and 2026 are though. Are you seriously stating anti-Israel activists have stopped asking Israel to return to their borders before the war? > The reasons people dislike Israel today is because of their actions over the past few years. No. People have disliked Israel before it existed as a country: Arab violence aginst Jews was the basis of British Palestine being partitioned. Arabs have also been violent towards Christians, Druze and other groups that have not submitted to Islam in all the countries that Arabs have colonised. |
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| ▲ | falnatsheh 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don't think Ukrainian will appreciate your logic. | | |
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| ▲ | kittikitti 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You think defending foreign influence by Israeli's in European politics is tantamount to defending against antisemitism? |
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