| ▲ | daedrdev a day ago |
| Any system of age verification will fail to satisfy the writer, because it is fundamentally the UK’s fault by requiring such draconian measures. Credit cards don't work ever time, but the other options of using AI or sending your data to a third company who will resell it are also not great. The only other complaint seems to be liquid glass? It really feels strange because Apple feels on the upswing with their new office and their cheap, repairable mac. |
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| ▲ | arjie a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| Reading between the lines, the author of the blog post would have gone along with the verification with annoyance if the verification had worked. What seems to have prompted everything is the credit cards failing. The fact that they couldn't use Wallet and then tried manually with all five sort of illustrates that they would have gone along with it. Edge cases like immigrants in a different land are typically unmet for these things. I remember once trying to re-activate my Google Fi SIM from my home in the UK before I returned to the US and getting a strange error message that didn't allude to the region. I got the rep on the line and they said "You're in the US, right?" and I had to bullshit something about "oh I had my VPN on" and then turned it on so I would like I was in the US and it worked then. Anyway, there's clearly one cause and the rest is just kitchen sink argumentation. |
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| ▲ | loloquwowndueo a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > Edge cases like immigrants in a different land It’s a brutal faux pas from Apple to consider immigrants an “edge case”. We are a significant group in many countries. (That said - I don’t have any banking products from my country of origin anymore) | | |
| ▲ | arjie a day ago | parent [-] | | I think it's unavoidable to end up triggering these since we're not really that common once it lands up with the specifics. It's rarely "immigrants" as a class but more "people with ID A in country B". I'm an Indian national with permanent residence in the US who lived in the UK. I have bank accounts in all three countries and I really don't expect them to work cross nationally reliably. If anything would, it would have to be the US stuff but I wouldn't count on it. I mean, I'd consider it important for it to work, but when it doesn't I wouldn't consider it a brutal faux pas so much as a moment of frustration at the kind of engineer who only happy-path builds. |
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| ▲ | rurp a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think this is one of the biggest tragedies from big tech companies. Their automated approaches usually work great for most people, but will be hopelessly broken for edge cases, often with no recourse. This happens all the time with non-standard location histories. It's also amazing how badly big tech apps will often fail with poor or no internet connection. Clearly a lot of the developers at these companies never leave the cities they live and work in. Other industries can be just as bad, but it's particularly grating coming from companies that constantly talk about diversity, individual empowerment, and other nice sounding corporate slop. |
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| ▲ | dghf a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > it is fundamentally the UK’s fault by requiring such draconian measures It would appear the UK doesn't: > Ofcom, the UK’s communications regulator, praised Apple for the decision, especially since it’s not required to implement age verification for the iOS or its App Store under the region’s Online Safety Act. -- https://www.engadget.com/big-tech/apple-introduces-age-verif... |
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| ▲ | stavros a day ago | parent [-] | | Apple has done this sort of thing before, where they don't like a law, they'll implement some unnecessary and shitty feature, and then say "hey don't blame us, blame your MPs!". | | |
| ▲ | johnthedebs a day ago | parent [-] | | Sounds like you're talking about Apple disabling Advanced Data Protection in the UK? https://support.apple.com/en-us/122234 Weird take to shift the blame to Apple for that. | | |
| ▲ | stavros a day ago | parent [-] | | No, Apple adding fees "to comply with the DMA" because "EU made us do it": https://www.macrumors.com/2025/06/26/app-store-eu-rule-chang... | | |
| ▲ | freedomben a day ago | parent [-] | | Interesting, I would not have expected calling Apple out for their malicious compliance practices would be controversial. | | |
| ▲ | johnthedebs a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Sometimes Apple's malicious compliance is in service of (or less generously: aligned with) users' interests. I didn't know about the added fees that parent mentioned, so I appreciate them clarifying in this case. | |
| ▲ | stavros a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | If there's one thing humans manage to do well, it's to make small, random decisions we made in the past an integral part of our identity. | | |
| ▲ | freedomben 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Just wanted to say, with all seriousness, this is one of the most insightful comments I've read in a very long time. | | |
| ▲ | stavros 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm glad you liked my semi-offhand comment! I will now make "HN influencer" part of my identity :P. |
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| ▲ | AlexandrB a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think Apple's hardware has good to great since the end of the "butterfly" keyboard fiasco, but their software has been in a persistent, slow decline - both in terms of quality and design. So depending on what you look at/care about you could make the case that Apple is getting better or Apple is getting worse. That covers the good and the bad. The ugly is the increasing presence of ads in Apple software - Maps being the latest example. Something that's going to push me out of the ecosystem eventually. I'm probably ditching Apple Maps for Google Maps this summer, because if I'm going to use an ad-infested product I at least want to get reliable directions out of it. |
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| ▲ | izacus a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Tapping a UK passport to your phone works just fine for ETA apps and it would work just fine for Apple as well. The fact that you think American corporation punishing foreign users for their laws is acceptible is sick upon itself. |
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| ▲ | JollySharp0 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > The fact that you think American corporation punishing foreign users for their laws is acceptible is sick upon itself. Not really. I was hoping more large US corps would just not comply and force a big kerfuffle and force the UK government to rethink the OSA and other ridiculous legislation. | | |
| ▲ | razingeden 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | So far , anyone telling OFCOM where to shove it (think: 4chan) doesn’t have any kind of operations or presence in the UK , is refusing to pay their fines, denies being under their jurisdiction — and doesn’t seem to care if they get blocked by the whole country. I don’t think much of that is true for Apple, even though there isn’t even a so called law they’re even following. They’re just doing the opposite and rolling over and pre emptively complying with OFCOM. We’re going to have to look elsewhere for resistance I’ve had it with Apple and there’s nothing they can do that would salvage my perception of them or make it any worse than it already is. So this company is a bunch of boot lickers on top of everything else that sucks about them, the only reason I’ll ever buy another Mac is if Linux can ever be installed on something beyond the m1/m2 processor. Fuck Apple as a company, nice hardware— but a trash Fisher Price operating system that they somehow just managed to make even worse than it already was. | | |
| ▲ | JollySharp0 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I was hoping someone like Musk (who is temperamental) would tell them to spin on it (I know people here don't like him). Politicians tend to use Twitter, so they would be directly affected. The benefit of KF and 4chan telling them to stick it, is that it creates a precedent where most sites outside the UK can just ignore them. I think both KF and 4chan are going to the US courts to get the matter decided IIRC they are suing the Ofcom in the US. I've not bothered checking up on the case because the guy that runs KF is massive dick and I don't want to listen to updates from him. |
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| ▲ | AlexandrB a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | How many people have a passport vs a credit card? If you travel a lot, sure, but some folks never leave their hometown. | | |
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| ▲ | catlover76 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | secondcoming a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| UK, California and Brazil, no? |
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| ▲ | wtallis a day ago | parent | next [-] | | California's law requires that the OS ask the user for their age, and accept the response as-is without doing any verification. | |
| ▲ | kps a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Terry Gilliam's Brazil, California, and geographic Brazil, yes. |
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