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| ▲ | TGower 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | > a planet that is breathable and isn't burning This is a perfect example of something that can benefit greatly from abundant goods and services. Driving the cost of solar panel manufacturing, supply chain included, and deployment. Enabling continuous monitoring and fast response to GHG leaks or forest fire starting. Reforesting efforts. There are so many ways in which the application of intelligence and labor can help us here, and AI can vastly grow the supply of intelligence and labor. > More free time? Yes! Time we can reclaim from the mundane chores of life to do with as we choose! How could you not want that? | | |
| ▲ | nsingh2 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | >> More free time? > Yes! Time we can reclaim from the mundane chores of life to do with as we choose! How could you not want that? We already had a huge productivity boom these past decades, but wages flat-lined and the vast majority of the profits and surplus went to the top. Housing, education, and healthcare became less affordable, not more. History points against your simple view. I'm not convinced that AI breaks that pattern. If anything, the concentration is worse this time. The capital required is huge, the technology is controlled by a handful of companies, and the most applications are about replacing labor. That last part further erodes the already meager worker bargaining power. We do need a serious systemic change to get to the world you're envisioning. One where that congealed wealth needs to start flowing again. |
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| ▲ | TGower 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This is true. It's by no means garunteed that we will get to a point where effectively all the jobs are being automated. If we eventually get there, it seems likely the path will be gradual and prosperous enough that we can handle the transition in a way that provides for everyone. The dangers of the alternative route are real, but hopefully obvious enough that we can collectively avoid them. | | |
| ▲ | kjkjadksj 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You think the leaders of our planet would just wake up one day and walk back all the crap they’ve said for decades about dismantling the welfare state? And for what because we won’t be working? The whitehouse just added work requirements to medicare. That is the opposite of abundance providing for all. | |
| ▲ | bluefirebrand 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > it seems likely the path will be gradual and prosperous enough that we can handle the transition in a way that provides for everyone What are you talking about man, we don't even provide for everyone right now even though we actually could | | |
| ▲ | TGower 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | Right now it is difficult for the average person to put themselves in the shoes of a homeless person. There are a litany of ready made excuses not to do so: "Oh it's the drugs", "They aren't even going to the shelter", "They must have mental illness", a variety of ways to say "I could never end up like that, if it was me I'd do better and pull myself out". These excuses evaporate in the face of a real automation wave where a large portion of friends and family you know to be hard working and intelligent are finding it impossible to find a job. | | |
| ▲ | Timon3 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | One scary thought however is: once automation has progressed this far and there are enough mostly autonomous humanoid and/or military robots, what power does the suddenly jobless general population have against those who own and operate them, which will mostly be rich people - and the government, which is in many places made up of other rich people? I'm not saying this is a likely scenario. But as far as I can tell, we will objectively be mostly at their mercy. And how merciful have they been over the last few decades? | |
| ▲ | throw4847285 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This already happened. When deindustrialization first hit in the US it devastated the black community. The result? A litany of pundits decrying Black criminality, bad family structures, cultural pathologies. It's no coincidence that The Bell Curve came out around then. A decade or two later, all of sudden the same phenomena are happening in working class white communities. Drug addiction, family dissolution, abject poverty. So clearly the people of the US finally realized that what was happening was due primarily to material concerns, and that people need to be able to earn a living in order to live. Right? No. Instead we got right wing populism, scapegoating of immigrants, further concentration of wealth, and no end in sight. | | |
| ▲ | TGower 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | With those past examples the majority of people thought "It's not my problem, I won't be affected", and they were mostly right. With an automation wave of the scale needed to get to effectively no jobs, that's just not the case. They will see that it is indeed coming for them, their friends, and family. They will act accordingly. Altruism not required, just self interest. | | |
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| ▲ | irishcoffee 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You really think altruism is what pops out the other end of "nobody has a fucking job" state of affairs? Alrighty. | |
| ▲ | cardanome 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The average person is pretty empathetic. The oligarchs of the current Epstein-regime that start wars and fund genocide, not so much. They are trained to dehumanize people. Without radical change of the current system any technological advancement will only make the rich richer. |
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| ▲ | qwerasdf5 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If 'no one has any income', then prices become 0. | | |
| ▲ | ryandrake 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | There will always be a relative few people with income. The business owners, property owners, asset holders, landlords, and so on. Those are the people who prices are set for, and who will participate in the economy. The rest of us? A lot of us are already essentially economically irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, and more and more are becoming so every day, even as they nominally get richer. |
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| ▲ | stevehawk 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | but elon said he would share the excesses with us! |
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