If you denominate your income in silly money such as USD, then it won't go down, probably will go up!

However if you start asking questions on how much housing medical and materials it buys, then I think it will squeeze people even more than now.

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bloppe 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's what the "real" in "median real income" means. It measures how much stuff you can buy, not how much currency you have. And it's been going up relatively reliably: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/mepainusa672n

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willis936 14 hours ago | parent [-]

Median is obviously flawed here. What should be looked at is wealth distribution.

The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer and anyone with any power is doing their best to accelerate this trend.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/dataviz/dfa/distr...

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bloppe 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Actually, median is exactly what you want. It strips out outliers. It's the "middle of the pack" person. Mean is the one that would be skewed by outliers.

And "the poor are getting poorer" is simply untrue for the last 10 years. They had a pretty bad time from 1980 - 2015, but in the last 10 years, their real income has risen faster than any other quintile: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/growth-in-real-wages-over-t...

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willis936 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Median says very little about distribution and says almost nothing about how the tails are doing (which are real people that are easily ignored).

That page breaks about a second after loading. It's enough time to see the graphic, but not enough to see the methodology for data collection. Can you share how that data is collected? Afaik government sources do not track real income distribution.

	▲	bloppe 11 hours ago \| parent [-]
		https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CXU900000LB0102M (47% increase since 2021) https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CXU900000LB0103M (26%) https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CXU900000LB0104M (23%) https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CXU900000LB0105M (22%) https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CXU900000LB0106M (17%) Yes, the bottom quintile has a lot more variance, but the argument that the poor are being left behind has been really hard to make for the last 5 years. Coupled with high inflation, which erodes the savings of the rich, they're actually getting a bigger slice of the overall pie.

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dahfizz 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No, the poor are also getting richer: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WFRBLB50107

You're looking at what percent of the total wealth pie do the poor get. But the pie itself is growing, and so is _everyones_ slice of the pie.

Maybe you think its an inherent problem that some people get a bigger percent of the pie than others. But its objectively untrue to say that the poor are getting poorer.

	▲	willis936 12 hours ago \| parent [-]
		That stat is not real income. The dollars don't matter if they buy less.

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repelsteeltje 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I agree.

After a decade of "quantitative easing" there is still a shitload of money looking for a spot in the economy that needs it. NFTs, bitcoin mining farms, AI data centers, FAANG stocks, real estate, gold ... These are hedges (or attempts to hedge), but they add little to no intrinsic value to the world's prosperity.

They merely shift and concentrate wealth and power, for the most part.