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Karrot_Kream 19 hours ago

Couldn't insiders just trade Brent Crude futures and do the same thing? There's more than enough liquidity in Brent that an insider can make great money.

tencentshill 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A market with regulations, vs. no regulations.

Karrot_Kream 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Right so how are you going to find it and who is going to prosecute the insider trading here?

My point isn't that an unregulated prediction market (Polymarket non-US markets are non-CFTC certified) can obscure insider trading. My point is that Brent has enough liquidity that an insider can trade without moving markets. There's plenty of insiders that work on a contract basis and aren't required to disclose trades by STOCK Act provisions for public disclosure.

And honestly we aren't even out of the 45 day window around disclosures that would surface any Brent or WTI trades around the current Iran conflict anyway.

cosmojg 18 hours ago | parent [-]

Also, isn't insider trading the whole point of prediction markets? They were originally conceptualized as information aggregators.

kasey_junk 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

People tend to use the term insider incorrectly. Even in cftc regulated markets it is unlikely that an admin official is an insider.

What people are looking for is anti-corruption enforcement not market regulation. The problem isn’t that the admin is using advanced knowledge, all commodities trading involves that, it’s that the officials have an obligation to the public as part of their governmental service.

Of course this admin _also_ gutted the anti-corruption offices in the government along with the market regulators.

munk-a 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If they were then that memo got lost when it reached the general populace that sees them as a gambling vehicle. I think it'd be extremely reasonable if people with qualified access to information like this were banned from leveraging it on prediction markets.

If someone has news they want to get out they can just use the media.

eunos 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Brent isn't security products so not covered under anti insider trading law right?

Karrot_Kream 17 hours ago | parent [-]

STOCK Act should cover commodities futures, so Brent and WTI should be covered.

eps 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They did just that if we are to believe random reddit posts.

roadside_picnic 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That more-or-less happened over the weekend [0]. Five minutes before Trump's unsurprising TACO announcement an unexpected large number of WTI futures contracts were sold and an even larger amount of S&P 500 futures were purchased.

0. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2026/03/23/volume-in-stock-and-oil-...

Karrot_Kream 17 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes that's my point. There's this whole new angle of prurient news where articles try to use the "anynomous nature" of Polymarket to play into an a corruption story as if it's all some new, dangerous game.

But why? You can trade Brent or WTI and do the same exact thing with much less scrutiny. $800k of Brent futures is nothing, and instead of having to risk your entire bet going bust like in prediction markets and their binary outcomes you can just take a loss on your investment instead if you time your exit incorrectly.

hatthew 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not familiar with Brent Crude futures, is it possible to trade them anonymously the way you can on Polymarket?

Karrot_Kream 17 hours ago | parent [-]

Look, no offense here, but if you're this unaware of how oil markets work, and it seems like markets in general work, I suggest doing at least some initial googling before digesting this story.

I realize for some the whole appeal of this kind of story is "look Trump bad" and then to get into the comments about how bad he is to play political sportsball, but insider trading is sadly a bipartisan phenomenon. No question though that this admin is the most brazen about its corruption in my lifetime though.

hatthew 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My understanding is that an individual works through a brokerage to buy/sell securities on an exchange. The brokerage knows who they are acting on behalf of, but not who is on the other side of the transaction. The public doesn't automatically know, except for government officials who are obligated to disclose their trading. In contrast, the fact that polymarket is crypo-based makes it a lot easier for people to be fully anonymous.

What I'm not sure of is whether disclosure regulations would apply to all government officials who could plausibly have insider knowledge (probably not?), whether oil futures would be covered by those regulations (probably?), whether it's possible to be fully anonymous to the brokerage (probably not?), and how much access law enforcement has to information regarding who is making what trades (not much without a court orders?).

I don't think that is a trivial amount of research to do, and I would guess the vast majority of people viewing this thread don't know the answers and will not try to find them out. I was hoping an expert would be able to enlighten us, so we can share informed opinions rather than uninformed opinions.

Karrot_Kream 10 hours ago | parent [-]

> In contrast, the fact that polymarket is crypo-based makes it a lot easier for people to be fully anonymous.

Remember that even if you make USDC on Polymarket, at some point you need to turn that into spendable fiat. Even if you move USDC over to Coinbase, if you move over $800k+, there is no way your new gains will not be met with scrutiny. Once you have that much USDC and no good explanation on how you made it you essentially need to launder the money. There's low hanging fruit to spend crypto on like VPNs and compute, but there's very few ways to launder that much money easily and most importantly cheaply.

> What I'm not sure of is whether disclosure regulations would apply to all government officials who could plausibly have insider knowledge (probably not?), whether oil futures would be covered by those regulations (probably?), whether it's possible to be fully anonymous to the brokerage (probably not?), and how much access law enforcement has to information regarding who is making what trades (not much without a court orders?).

Yeah if you search around you'll find that this is covered by the STOCK Act [1]. Pretty simple, cursory search.

> The brokerage knows who they are acting on behalf of, but not who is on the other side of the transaction. The public doesn't automatically know, except for government officials who are obligated to disclose their trading.

Borkerages don't build knowledge graphs of their users and the things these users can and cannot trade even if they know who they are. If you've ever held RSUs, there are companies that put trading restrictions on your RSUs but this is a brokerage platform concept, and isn't even universal across brokerages. For the most part brokerages don't care what you make money on. This only becomes a problem if the SEC chooses enforcement action.

One of the simplest ways that insiders come under scrutiny is taking large positions that make the news or move markets (or otherwise soak up lots of liquidity.) Oil is traded in futures, which means each contract is for 1000 barrels. CBK26 right now is priced at $103.73, which means a single contract is worth $103,730. A position of $800k is a pretty standard amount in Brent (though this is a future, so you'll need to post margin which makes this more expensive.) From there it's a game of how likely it is to be caught trading and then prosecuted. If you tell nobody and come under no scrutiny you're golden; sell your position when the time comes and make $$$. Plenty of government positions, like contractors, are not required to disclose under the STOCK Act and so there's almost no likelihood those insiders will come under any scrutiny.

And unlike a Polymarket bet you don't end up making the news when you trade $800k of contracts nor will you run the risk of mistiming your bet and losing your entire bet and then go through the headache of laundering your money out.

> I don't think that is a trivial amount of research to do, and I would guess the vast majority of people viewing this thread don't know the answers and will not try to find them out.

No offense but this is a low bar to have. It's all a few web searches away. I'm pretty sure you can get an LLM to teach you this in a few turns of conversation. What is the "appropriate" amount of knowledge we should expect an internet commenter to have? I mean posting on HN has to mean something right? Or maybe those days are gone on here.

[1]: https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/senate-bill/203...

googlehater 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

what's the point of your comment? it's a thread... on a forum of non experts... and he asked a question.

stevenwoo 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Lots of lucky trades timed just prior to and in aftermath of latest Trump social media announcement. It could be coincidence or not.

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/23/volume-in-stock-and-oil-futu...

Karrot_Kream 17 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah this is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about.