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avazhi 2 hours ago

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kannanvijayan an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I assure you that many Canadians who are making these moves are emitting very little signal outside of their purchasing decisions.

This is not some end state of success, but a process. It's people sharing their ideas, thoughts, and strategies on how to accomplish a relatively challenging economic shift.

What you are witnessing and commenting on is quite literally the messy business of a market organically evolving and developing. "Not American" is now a selling point for services.

otherme123 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Proton AG, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_AG, a Swiss company, owned privately by the Proton Foundation https://proton.me/foundation, is US-controlled? How?

BrunoBernardino an hour ago | parent [-]

I'm _assuming_ they're just spreading FUD, over some past events [1]. It's not US-controlled, AFAICT.

[1]: https://activistchecklist.org/proton/

reg_dunlop 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Phrasing this as virtue signaling is a misnomer.

I see it as an effort to divest themselves of moral inequity.

And the result isn't the point: the effort and the reason for the effort, is.

This is the first iteration/calibration of a more conscientious intention.

When moral imperative is an unidentifiable road feature on the highway towards wherever the US is going...small efforts matter

inferniac an hour ago | parent [-]

>divest themselves of moral inequity

how is that not virtue signalling lol

shikshake an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Virtue signaling is the worst interpretation you can have of someone attempting to do better. If someone’s trying to make a small impact on the world, shouldn’t you encourage them instead of making fun and claiming they’re just doing it for looks?

AdamN 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you believe in the moral of it then it's not signaling in the first place. It's only virtue signaling if you do it just to get acceptance or mating or something like that (e.g. I love barbecue but this girl I'm trying to date is vegetarian so I pretend I don't like barbecue to signal that I'm a good match for her).

The usage of the term 'virtue signaling' is almost always a sign that the person saying it isn't being intellectually honest - it's usually just meant to be a putdown.

ogogmad an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

if a boycott is a virtue signal then your comment is a vice signal

lkey an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People who don't believe in virtue see all virtuous acts as 'virtue signaling', or, a lie for attention.

You are showing us who you are and what you believe, but you are not describing the parent commenter.

ecocentrik an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The term for this is ethical consumerism or conscious consumerism, defined as purchasing products that align with moral, social, or environmental values, acting as a form of "voting" with one's money.

Virtue signaling takes place wherever changes in group behavior are required by changes in conditions but calling it just virtue signaling is reductive. People are moving off of US services because of the behavior of the US government and US citizens.

theshrike79 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_AG

> Proton AG is a Swiss technology company offering privacy-focused online services and software. It is majority owned by the non-profit Proton Foundation.

So how is the US "controlling" Proton, can you enlighten us as you seem to be more knowledgeable about this?

bryanrasmussen an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If I was outside of the US I would consider it as an effort to reduce risk, not virtue signaling.

If I was a citizen of a nation directly and recently threatened by the U.S I would consider it more as a "screw you" than virtue signaling.

This is probably because I am not especially caring about virtue, but I do like pointing out ways that alternate explanations for things some people might find virtuous could pertain.

QuadmasterXLII an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are words and concepts that cut reality at the seams, and others that feel good and make you dumb as rocks. Virtue signaling came out the gate strong but has fallen solidly i to the second camp.

__bjoernd 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How is Proton a US-controlled company?

nilslindemann an hour ago | parent [-]

Yes, how is Proton a US controlled company? At least in the German Wikipedia they sound like a group of saints.

fcarraldo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Which of these is Apple?

femiagbabiaka an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

If we stay on the current path, in a few months tech will start to feel the pain of Trump's rampage. The only redeemable thing about that is that maybe tech workers and Americans generally will finally stop feeling like they're above it all.