| ▲ | copper4eva 2 hours ago |
| His comment did not even mention the US. Only critiquing the authoritarianism going on in the EU. One of the issues with modern politics is everyone wants to deflect. |
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| ▲ | wongarsu 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I need to host my emails somewhere. This means that you can't reject the EU in isolation, you have to compare it to the alternatives. And the most prevalent alternative is the US Now of course if somebody has a better alternative that's neither in the EU nor US (nor Russia, or China) that'd be interesting to hear about |
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| ▲ | rglullis 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Switzerland, maybe? I've been a happy migadu.com customer for years already. | | |
| ▲ | gusgus01 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Funny enough, they mention moving to ProtonMail which is at least based out of Switzerland. It makes this whole chain a bit funny, but I don't blame the commenter for not breaking down every service the OP talked about and the OP did shorthand it to "Migrating to the EU", so fair enough. | |
| ▲ | mariusor 42 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Didn't proton fold like a wet napkin when they were asked for information about their users? What I mean is: Switzerland as a whole is probably the wrong metric... | | |
| ▲ | littlecranky67 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Switzerland - as well as EU based providers - have to comply with court orders. And the EU as well as Switzerland issue court orders upon request from friendly foreign states ("Rechtshilfeersuchen" in german) - such as the US. | |
| ▲ | AdamN 24 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | These are also political decisions and the EU is much more powerful politically than Switzerland so if your adversary is the US and they're willing to use lawfare or more than you should probably go with the EU and not Switzerland. Germany is considered one of the most robust legal systems for privacy. But there is always risk no matter what you do. |
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| ▲ | dwedge an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Anywhere you can rent a VPS or dedicated server, install exim or mox or mailcow. Configure dns correctly and you're good to go | | |
| ▲ | elAhmo an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | In email world, this is as far from 'good to go' as you can get. Good luck getting anyone to read your emails this way. | | |
| ▲ | dwedge 36 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Do you run your email server? I run two, have next to no problems (the key is in setting up DNS correctly, as I mentioned) and keep getting told this by people who have never tried. |
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| ▲ | butILoveLife an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Do any of your emails actually make it into an inbox though? I did this for a server and I couldn't even get it to land in spam on gmail. | | |
| ▲ | gadrev an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes but you may need the IPs to warm up and build some reputation, depending where you setup your server the IPs may be burned. Check logs and reputation with some of the postmaster tools the major providers offer and with the services that allow looking up an IP. senderscore used to be convenient to use now it displays a stupid contact form when you try to check an IP, there are others. To be honest I haven't done the setup for sending a handful of emails but IPs sending hundreds/thousands per day it's fine as long as you don't start spamming people and get flagged. | |
| ▲ | dwedge 35 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes they do. I wouldn't try it from a residential IP but as long as you run a blacklist check on the IP before you start, and configure DNS correctly, it's generally fine. |
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| ▲ | ahtihn an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The post is about moving stuff from US to EU, so it's not like the US is brought up out of nowhere. |
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| ▲ | surgical_fire 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The comment does not exist in a vacuum. It exists in a thread where the topic is, eminently, migrating away from US services to EU ones. |
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| ▲ | pschastain an hour ago | parent [-] | | >The comment does not exist in a vacuum. It exists in a thread where the topic is, eminently, migrating away from US services to EU ones. Even then, there's no interesting conversation to be had unless we pretend it does. | | |
| ▲ | surgical_fire an hour ago | parent [-] | | I, and apparently many others in this thread, disagree. I personally found some interesting comments here, including but not limited to services based off EU that I can use. If you find it uninteresting, you should stop wasting your time in it and go do something more productive with your time. Unless, of course, you just want to do some "concern trolling". You know, the "just asking questions" and "just noticing" behavior. I'll be charitable and presume you are talking in this thread accidentally, and will find your way to more productive activities instead. | | |
| ▲ | pschastain an hour ago | parent [-] | | lmao did me explaining obscure European legal frameworks for free hurt your feelings somehow? |
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| ▲ | krzyk 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > critiquing the authoritarianism going on in the EU What? |
