I need to host my emails somewhere. This means that you can't reject the EU in isolation, you have to compare it to the alternatives. And the most prevalent alternative is the US

Now of course if somebody has a better alternative that's neither in the EU nor US (nor Russia, or China) that'd be interesting to hear about

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rglullis an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Switzerland, maybe? I've been a happy migadu.com customer for years already.

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gusgus01 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Funny enough, they mention moving to ProtonMail which is at least based out of Switzerland. It makes this whole chain a bit funny, but I don't blame the commenter for not breaking down every service the OP talked about and the OP did shorthand it to "Migrating to the EU", so fair enough.

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mariusor 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Didn't proton fold like a wet napkin when they were asked for information about their users? What I mean is: Switzerland as a whole is probably the wrong metric...

	▲	littlecranky67 7 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Switzerland - as well as EU based providers - have to comply with court orders. And the EU as well as Switzerland issue court orders upon request from friendly foreign states ("Rechtshilfeersuchen" in german) - such as the US.
	▲	AdamN 19 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		These are also political decisions and the EU is much more powerful politically than Switzerland so if your adversary is the US and they're willing to use lawfare or more than you should probably go with the EU and not Switzerland. Germany is considered one of the most robust legal systems for privacy. But there is always risk no matter what you do.

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dwedge an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Anywhere you can rent a VPS or dedicated server, install exim or mox or mailcow. Configure dns correctly and you're good to go

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elAhmo an hour ago | parent | next [-]

In email world, this is as far from 'good to go' as you can get. Good luck getting anyone to read your emails this way.

	▲	dwedge 30 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Do you run your email server? I run two, have next to no problems (the key is in setting up DNS correctly, as I mentioned) and keep getting told this by people who have never tried.

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butILoveLife an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Do any of your emails actually make it into an inbox though? I did this for a server and I couldn't even get it to land in spam on gmail.

	▲	gadrev an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Yes but you may need the IPs to warm up and build some reputation, depending where you setup your server the IPs may be burned. Check logs and reputation with some of the postmaster tools the major providers offer and with the services that allow looking up an IP. senderscore used to be convenient to use now it displays a stupid contact form when you try to check an IP, there are others. To be honest I haven't done the setup for sending a handful of emails but IPs sending hundreds/thousands per day it's fine as long as you don't start spamming people and get flagged.
	▲	dwedge 30 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Yes they do. I wouldn't try it from a residential IP but as long as you run a blacklist check on the IP before you start, and configure DNS correctly, it's generally fine.