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mamonster 10 hours ago

>and he’s losing thousands of dollars per month because he misses hundreds of calls per week. He’s under the hood all day. The phone rings, he can’t answer, the customer hangs up and calls someone else. That’s a lost job — sometimes a $450 brake service, sometimes a $2,000 engine repair — just gone because no one picked up.

How much does it cost to have an outsourced receptionist? Even if it is 500 a month if we are really talking about thousands of dollars per month lost your ROI is still crazy.

rob74 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Never mind an outsourced receptionist, some of those calls could be handled simply by the mailbox. Of course, some people will hang up once the mailbox message starts - but then again, some will also hang up once they realize they're talking to an AI chatbot, so...

qup 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Very soon, it will be difficult to tell the difference unless you probe it.

I think most folks already wouldn't be able to tell, with the modern TTS.

It's like AI photos, they fool you unless you're looking for it.

r4m18612 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah, it’s getting harder to tell. At some point the difference won’t be in the voice itself, but in how the conversation flows.

qup 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

Even now, i think they're quick enough--but they interrupt at the wrong times, where humans know if they have enough context yet.

So, I agree. But I believe the problem is pretty solvable with enough tokens.

toss1 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

YES!

This is the critical data —» how many people hang up on the AI chatbot vs how many people hang up on the voice message prompt.

If it is even close, well, the AI needs to be improved.

If the AI is way ahead, but still loses/drops more than a live receptionist (outsourced or in-house), the AI either needs improvement, or to be dumped for a live receptionist, and that's kind of a spreadsheet problem (how many jobs lost in each case, vs costs).

throwway120385 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I think the question of lost opportunities versus costs is the best thing to look at here. You could pay a receptionist like 50-60k a year but they have to bring in the work. Maybe the AI dumps a percentage over a real receptionist but they still bring in more than the mailbox. But there's a cost to the AI too.

But the real question you should also ask is what else can that human do for you that the AI can't because they have eyes and ears and hands?

conductr 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The question is more why employ a full time receptionist when fractional services are available and it’s an old well established industry. A couple hundred dollar a month could employ a human only when the phone rings and to schedule their visit plus any FAQ. I’m sure Ruby.com already has plenty of auto shop customers.

tehwebguy 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Plus if he’s too slammed to answer the phone he’s too slammed to take on the missing work, most likely.

illwrks 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

He will still need a pipeline of work to keep himself and his team busy. Someone has to do that job, if clients are self selecting then it makes sense to automate it if possible.

keiferski 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That’s not true at all, for any service profession. A barber that stops to answer the phone every two minutes isn’t cutting hair very efficiently.

runarberg 2 hours ago | parent [-]

A barber won’t be able to service that many customers anyway. A barbershop which gets a phone call every two minutes probably has several barbers on staff and a receptionist.

maccard 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have a friend who runs a trade with an outsourced reception - they employ 3 full time people and the reception is about £150/mo for 9-5 manning of calls. He does the scheduling in the evenings.

If we take OP’s post at face value, presumably his brother is already at 100% capacity otherwise he wouldn’t be missing all these calls.

truetraveller 10 hours ago | parent [-]

£150/mo for each? Do these receptionists actually answer? Has he "tested" them with test calls? Any recommended site to get this?

maccard 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

No - £150/mo for the service. I asked him and he said they take the calls, write up notes and he handles the callbacks/etc himself.

I don’t know if he’s “tested”, but he said he’s happy enough with the service. We don’t always have to AB test every possible option - sometimes good enough is good enough.

mamonster 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well presumably 150 is what you pay to use the service, and they have like 100+ companies using it.

The model is exactly like Planet Fitness or similar gyms: It doesn't work if everyone visits at once, but you plan on most people using it once a week.

maccard 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah exactly - I don’t know how many calls he gets but it’s less than an amount to employ a full time person, but more than enough that it’s worth having someone to pick up a phone he can stay on the job.

Balgair 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A good 'Service Writer' (the term you use for this job) isn't cheap and typically aren't outsourced. Usually because your (local) competition is going to be using them too. And also because customers aren't going to trust a person that is writing service for multiple shops.

That said, a good service writer is worth their weight in gold. Also, they are typically going to be the person you end up selling the business to when you retire. Most mechanics aren't good enough at the business side of things to actually buy, but service writers are.

pavel_lishin 4 hours ago | parent [-]

If I'm calling Joe's Auto Shop, how would I even know whether the person who picks up is writing service for multiple shops?

alwa 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Generally, by whether they know what’s going on at the shop. Usually if I’m calling on the phone, it’s for a specific answer that’s not gettable through a computer.

“Hey can you look out and see if Joe’s almost done with the blue Chrysler?” is an easy ask for the phone answerer at my local Joe’s shop (it’s his wife, and as a bonus she’ll also holler at him or his crew to hurry up because @alwa is waiting on it).

Contrast with the grant-funded pharmacy I use. Some management type suggested they could deal with their insane level of overwork by automating away the phones to a hostile and labyrinthine network of IVRs. Oh, it has “AI,” but only to force choices between forks in decisions trees corresponding to questions I didn’t have—and every path still eventually ends in “this voice mailbox is full, goodbye.”

After literal hours of my life trying to wrestle their IVRs into helping—I do sympathize with their workload and don’t want to be a special snowflake—I now drive 30 minutes to ask questions face to face.

In general I’ve maxed out what’s discoverable by automated means before I call. So a call center is both useless and insulting.

gowld 3 hours ago | parent [-]

What are you doing to your car that requires such a close relationship with the repair shop?

alwa 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Responsible (directly or indirectly) for quite a few of them, mostly oldish and wheezy; I’m not myself mechanical; and we use the shop mostly for routine maintenance—rotate the tires every few thousand miles, swap the brake pads, deal with the oil changes/fluids/filters, etc.

Partly as a preventative measure: we trust them. In the rare cases when they find something, it’s real. As a consequence we get ahead of brewing problems.

Plus loyalty, to some extent; we try to throw work their way when we can, even if we probably could handle it ourselves. The relationship between our families goes back a good 60 years by now.

Fully grant that my situation is unlikely to be representative. And no shade toward OP—it sounds like a cool project thoughtfully done, and a real improvement over the status quo for her relative!

ryandrake 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Plus, maybe the customer would prefer to support a business that invests in and employs from the local community, even if it costs a little more. Or they see it as a quality signal. If I call a plumber who outsourced their reception to a call center to save a few bucks, I'm starting to think, "What else is he willing to do to save a few bucks?"

Balgair 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wait, are you not calling more than one shop every time?

doubled112 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Not always. I have one I start at, and if they're unwilling to do the work, I call around until I get a reasonable option.

pstuart 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Would redirecting them to a website where they can go through a guided intake and get some confirmation of a callback? A well designed UI that allows them to ID their vehicle (make/model/year) and the issue they're having? HTML5 has decent speech to text out of the gate and they can just talk it out.

Obviously that process could happen purely via voice but I think there's not as much love for walking through forms in a phone call.

If Joe has a PC in the shop with a tailored UI, he could get pings of pending requests and when he comes up for air, update the intake (via voice to minimize greasy hands) and initiate a call back then and there?

kotaKat 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Related - Monro Muffler Brake apparently switched to an offshore call center model to handle scheduling every single auto shop location. I hear nothing but complaints from both fellow customers as well as the shop managers themselves about their local phone number being ripped away from them and handed off to a call center to try to schedule vehicle service from thousands of miles away.

gowld 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The ROI is whatever the blog is advertising for -- AI training courses and such.

gedy 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> That’s a lost job — sometimes a $450 brake service, sometimes a $2,000 engine repair

Christ just hire some local teenager or whomever. There's people who will work for minimum wage.

linkjuice4all 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes - but as others have mentioned you wouldn't have good advertising material for your AI "readiness" courses.

More to the point - does this garage even have the time and space to service more vehicles? Generating a bunch of new low-value/low-loyalty customers takes up time and space and might have a lower return-per-hour while making it harder to retain higher value returning customers.

Additionally, as "luxury mechanic" (apparently specializing in BMW but servicing other makes) you'll need to appeal to "luxury drivers" and bolting on more crap that makes the experience worse is probably not the way to do that.