| ▲ | applfanboysbgon 11 hours ago |
| Destroying a school is not an "oopsie". It should literally not be possible for it to happen in any organization that values human life at all. This was a precision strike with three missiles hitting the same target, they should have been goddamn sure they knew where the millions of dollars in ordnance they were launching for the purpose of ending human life were headed. Of course, the US military places zero value on not murdering civilians, which it has shown time and time again throughout its history, so this is the obvious result: massacre by intentional negligence. It's absolutely fucking insane to downplay it like these things just happen and are unavoidable. What is wrong with you? Maybe you don't understand these are not just numbers on a screen? How many children do you know in your life? Is it even close to 150? Can you imagine every single child you know being killed and shrugging that off, insulting people who bring it up as being "sensationalist" and "polluting the conversation"? |
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| ▲ | brightball 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Let’s have a serious conversation about downplaying things because this is where all of these conversations go sideways. Many people, myself included, watch very loud righteous indignation about this awful event…while hearing absolutely nothing from the same people about… - The Iranian women’s soccer team who are returning home from asylum to likely torture and execution due to regime threats against their families. - The thousands of Iranian protesters who were shot by the regime. - The 19 year old wrestling champion who was executed for participating in a protest. Nobody is saying the school wasn’t terrible, but it’s not some situation where if we just leave the regime in power it’s going to be all sunshine and roses over there. Show equal parts outrage and people will take you more seriously. Show equal parts outrage and you will find far more outrage from leaving the regime in power. |
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| ▲ | applfanboysbgon 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The entire reason the current Iranian regime exists is because the US overthrew their democracy to replace it with a monarchy that was friendly to their oil interests, which was then overthrown by a popular revolution. Maybe the US should stay the fuck out of Iran because it's not the US's fucking business, and it is most certainly not acting benevolently out of desire to help the people of Iran. > while hearing absolutely nothing from the same people about… Also, really? You think anybody who opposes the US bombing a school is cheering on protestors being shot and all other crimes of the Iranian regime? Well, I guess I'll be the first: Iranian regime bad. Killing protestors bad. Executing dissenters bad. There you go. Your argument is defeated. You can no longer make that claim. But I reckon most people aren't couching their statements by bringing up the whudabbouts because first it's not the direct topic of the conversation, and second it's a fucking given. But it being a given that X is bad does not justify doing more bad things. | | |
| ▲ | brightball 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Totally agree with you. The US also created the Bin Laden problem. That genie isn’t going back in the bottle though so now we have to deal with the very real threat to the world that we certainly had a hand in creating. Glad to hear your opposition to all of the evil as well. The desire for vocal, social righteous indignation with most of this dialog does not follow your fervor though. People remain silent until it supports their local politics, for the most part. | | |
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| ▲ | zzrrt an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I would reply point-by-point to show US hypocrisy, but that might be too much whataboutism. I think I'll just say this one: this is the only time Trump has pretended to care about the lives of brown-skinned protestors. He literally has asked whether he could intentionally shoot American protestors legally. He doesn't care about the Iranian people either, so there's some other reason. I'm not going to carry water for a secretly-motivated war where the "good" effects are secondary, post-hoc rationalizations. At least just say they're a grave threat we should destroy or whatever, don't play along with the game that the American government and people care so much for Muslims on the other side of the world. | |
| ▲ | testaccount28 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | i think the poster you're replying to does not regard iranians as capable of independent decisions. thus, the school deaths are a crime, but the dead protesters are more like a weather event: a tragedy. | |
| ▲ | UncleMeat 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Okay. We can consider this war to be about regime change when Israel and the US give up strategic planning to revolutionaries in Iran. |
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| ▲ | joe_mamba 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >Destroying a school is not an "oopsie". You should see how many innocent people US's wars in Afghanistan and Iraq killed. And that's only the ones we know of before the era of smartphones and social media where people could more easily document war crimes. Did anyone go to jail for it? No. Will anyone go to jail for killing innocent people in Iran? Also no. Trump is gonna fuck some more shit up in the area, declare "victory" when he's bored or the political pressure gets too high while leaving the middle east in a bigger mess than it was before. |
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| ▲ | trimethylpurine 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I notice you're not critical of Iran's military intentionally firing on civilians. Why? |
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| ▲ | applfanboysbgon 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Because that was not the subject of the conversation. Iran's military killing civilians is bad, but that does not somehow justify also killing their civilians. WTF even is your logic? | | |
| ▲ | trimethylpurine 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It certainly doesn't justify killing civilians. | |
| ▲ | mhb 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The US made a mistake while attempting to ensure that insane theocrats who are close to building nuclear weapons are not able to. The fondest wish of the religious lunatics in charge of Iran (and we know this because they have told us) is to annihilate the US and Israel. They have demonstrated missiles that can reach Europe. These dots don't seem hard to connect. | | |
| ▲ | applfanboysbgon 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | > who are close to building nuclear weapons This is a lie. Not only is it not the stated purpose of the war, even Netanyahu himself went out of the way to say that Iran had no remaining capability to accomplish this and that was not why they were invaded. > They currently have demonstrated missiles that can reach Europe. The US demonstrated its missiles can reach schools in Iran. Why are we more concerned with scaremongering about what hypothetical evil acts Iran could commit while downplaying the evil acts that are actually being propagated by the US? | | |
| ▲ | mhb 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | The war has multiple goals. > Why are we more concerned with scaremongering about what hypothetical evil acts Iran could commit while downplaying the evil acts that are actually being propagated by the US? Because normal people can understand the difference between a mistake and intentional acts. And between the scales of different actions. | | |
| ▲ | applfanboysbgon 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | > The war has multiple goals. One of which is explicitly not Iran's nuclear capacity, as confirmed by one of the heads of state invading. > Because normal people can understand the difference between a mistake and intentional acts. Normal people can also understand that some things are too serious to pass off as "oopsie". We have terms like "manslaughter" or "aggravated murder" for when your reckless negligence leads to loss of human life. You are still responsible for the murders you cause when you take actions with intent that you know will lead to people dying without intending any specific one of those deaths. | | |
| ▲ | testaccount28 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | either way, you may wish to know: your poor argumentation shores up support for the war. | | |
| ▲ | oa335 an hour ago | parent [-] | | You may disagree with the idea that militaries are responsible for civilians they kill regardless of intent, but it is not poor argumentation. And the fact that it triggers you to support the war reveals more about you than you may intend. |
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| ▲ | trimethylpurine 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Military action always has civilian casualties. All you can do is hope and make effort to reduce them. And I'm glad we're on the side that does that. | | |
| ▲ | applfanboysbgon 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | You are absolutely not on the side that does that. The US has killed millions of civilians over the past century in all of the wars it's partaken in and pardons its own war criminals, on the very rare occasion it bothers to try them in the first place. Fuck me American propaganda is in another world. | | |
| ▲ | beedeebeedee 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Israeli propaganda. America is fighting this war but not leading it | |
| ▲ | trimethylpurine 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Iran advertises and brags about how many civilians they've killed and literally states its purpose is to export revolution. But America is the bad guy? No... Not even close. Do you see Americans cheering for the dead school children? I'm watching Iran cheering for the dead children in countries around the world every day for 40 years. You should be ashamed of yourself for even comparing. | | |
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