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| ▲ | Spooky23 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| They’re at war. The US and Israel are bombing everything anyway. Strategically, Diego Garcia is a forward operating base for irreplaceable B-52 and B-2 bombers. Placing them at risk on the ground seems like a reckless call, more likely the US pulls those resources back to the US. I’m not rooting for Iran, but since the US has who they have making the calls, Iran has obvious strategic cards to play - escalation benefits them. |
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| ▲ | DoctorOetker 40 minutes ago | parent [-] | | one missile fails, the other is intercepted your conclusion: US will pull those resources back? |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There is probably a hardline faction within Iran that still thinks it gains from further bombing and forced isolation. |
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| ▲ | PixyMisa 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yep. The IRGC runs the country at this point, and they do not have anyone else's best interests in mind. |
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| ▲ | pasquinelli 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| maybe they aren't as worried about that as they should be. maybe america isn't as worried about that as it should be. but, what are you saying? it would be weird for iran to act in a way that might provoke escalation? you mean in the totally unprovoked war israel/america launched against them? |
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| ▲ | yongjik 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't know which country you're from, but in most countries, "our troops may get bombed if we join this war" is a very strong public argument against joining the war. Just look at Trump's latest attempt to enlist his "allies" into sending warships to the Strait of Hormuz, and what a resounding success it was. |
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| ▲ | DoctorOetker 34 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Well I live in one of those countries in Europe, it's quite embarrassing: our government basically said: "sure we would like to help secure the Strait of Hormuz, but only under peaceful conditions" So, suppose the peaceful conditions are obtained, they will sail back the moment a single shot is fired? They want to partake only for show? I totally agree the Hegseth fulminating speeches are over the top and tasteless show... but what were European countries saying just days ago (they are turning around these days): that they want to pose and posture and pretend to be part of the power projection group, but not actually run any risks? They are willing to waste their taxpayer money on sending a mission, but only if they are required to pose for a show? I'm glad they are starting to think a bit deeper than the initial b-hurt about not having received prior notice... consider the huge potential for leaks if each and every nitwit politician in every nation had been informed beforehand! Sometimes when I hear local politicians speak its almost if they WANT Iran to succeed, to possess nuclear warheads and ICBM's capable of reaching Europe! | | |
| ▲ | yongjik 5 minutes ago | parent [-] | | So you are embarrassed that your leaders don't want their soldiers to die in a war started by another country without providing any semblance of justification? ...I'm just glad that European politicians take their soldiers' lives more seriously than the court of public opinions. Well, at least some of them. That's the mark of being an adult. |
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| ▲ | hshdhdhj4444 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Not really. Because no one in Europe wants to bomb Iran into oblivion, if for no other reason but the fact that the Europeans (and Turkey) would face another massive refugee crisis. The only people wanting to continue this war are the U.S. and Israel (and maybe Saudi Arabia?) and even Trump is clearly looking for an off ramp. This is most likely a way for Iran to tell Europe to do what they can to end this otherwise they will drag Europe into this mess as well. |
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| ▲ | DoctorOetker 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | False: I live in Europe, and I most definitely want Iran's ICBM, nuclear, weapons, etc facilities to be bombed to smithereens. I welcome the news every morning when I read about the exponential decay in absolute numbers of Iran's rockets and drones fired. It will take time until the last caches are depleted, but this intervention seems surprisingly cheap until now. Seeing how this evolves, its not just puzzling that this didn't happen before, its also saddening: if it was this easy to bring Iran to it's knees, a Hamas-less Gaza or Hezbollah-less Lebanon would have been spared the genocide Gaza endures now, and the instability in Lebanon now... | |
| ▲ | bigfatkitten 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > and maybe Saudi Arabia? The war is extremely bad for business for Saudi Arabia and has already cost them enormous amounts of money. It is causing damage to their oil refineries that will take years to repair. The only person who gains anything out of this is Netanyahu and his friends. Everyone else loses, including the Israeli people. | | |
| ▲ | srean 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | That is so because of Iran's choice of targets. SA might have misjudged that their business assets would be attacked. There is some chatter that crown prince supported and approved the assassination of Khamenei and possibly supplies supportive intelligence. They haven't been exactly friendly with Iran. The odd ball is Qatar. Qatar had been working hard to have friendly relations with Iran. So I was surprised by Iran's attack on Qatari interests. |
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| ▲ | big-and-small 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Europe to do what to stop the war? EU cant even stop war on their own borders. And we seen what Trump buddies think about EU in their leaked Signal chat. Also it's not like EU and UK actually have any military capacity to bomb Iran even if they wanted because again everything they do have is going to Ukraine already. |
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