Well I live in one of those countries in Europe, it's quite embarrassing: our government basically said:

"sure we would like to help secure the Strait of Hormuz, but only under peaceful conditions"

So, suppose the peaceful conditions are obtained, they will sail back the moment a single shot is fired? They want to partake only for show? I totally agree the Hegseth fulminating speeches are over the top and tasteless show... but what were European countries saying just days ago (they are turning around these days): that they want to pose and posture and pretend to be part of the power projection group, but not actually run any risks? They are willing to waste their taxpayer money on sending a mission, but only if they are required to pose for a show?

I'm glad they are starting to think a bit deeper than the initial b-hurt about not having received prior notice... consider the huge potential for leaks if each and every nitwit politician in every nation had been informed beforehand! Sometimes when I hear local politicians speak its almost if they WANT Iran to succeed, to possess nuclear warheads and ICBM's capable of reaching Europe!

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beedeebeedee an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> I'm glad they are starting to think a bit deeper than the initial b-hurt about not having received prior notice

Reducing objections to an unnecessary, unprovoked and world-destabilizing war to being butthurt is one of the least serious and least thoughtful comments anyone has contributed here for a long time. You are all over the comment section with long diatribes. It would be nice if you used some critical thinking before contributing.

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DoctorOetker an hour ago | parent [-]

> It would be nice if you used some critical thinking before contributing.

It is certainly possible that my critical thinking skills are less refined as yours. But in order to quickly assess it, may I ask you a simple question?

1. Search and find the video of Mahsa Amini's death at the Fashion Police.

2. Explain how she died.

	▲	beedeebeedee 34 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Wow, it is clear that you are trolling and acting as a propagandist. You do know that you can be against violence, hatred and bigotry in general, and not just that of your ‘enemies’, right?

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yongjik an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

So you are embarrassed that your leaders don't want their soldiers to die in a war started by another country without providing any semblance of justification?

...I'm just glad that European politicians take their soldiers' lives more seriously than the court of public opinions. Well, at least some of them. That's the mark of being an adult.

	▲	DoctorOetker 44 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> ...I'm just glad that European politicians take their soldiers' lives more seriously than the court of public opinions. Well, at least some of them. That's the mark of being an adult. A mark of being an adult, is if European politicians would value the lives of their civilians, present and future, higher than their soldiers, yes. A world where Iran continues to develop and improve the reliability of their ICBM's, nuclear weapons designs and re-entry vehicles, would place those civilians, present and future, at risk. Short-sighted, short-term thinking poll-vote-oriented decision taking is not adult at all. A lot of administration agnostic personnel prepared these playbooks a long time in advance, and you and I may not like the current sitting president of the United States, that doesn't mean this president isn't offered valuable options prior presidents may have been to scared to select. Perhaps the failed assassination attempt gave this president the courage the earlier ones lacked? Imagine you were the president of the United States, would you feel safe the rest of your life, about yourself, your family and loved ones, if you gave a green light to disarm Iran? It's not like US presidents have never been assassinated. I don't think it's a coincidence that a president that has experienced a failed assassination attempt is the one with the courage to give that green light, although the lack of general intelligence may have been a contributing factor. I think many in the Pentagon are relieved that they were finally able to convince a president of what needed to be done a long time before.