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207 points by soheilpro 16 hours ago | 77 comments
alifeinbinary 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I use my Mac for film scoring and music production, so I have a long-standing practice of keeping my operating system one major version behind for stability reasons. If you want to do the same and at the same time avoid those annoying Tahoe update notifications then simply enable beta updates for OS 15 in settings. I don’t imagine I’ll ever update to Tahoe because I dislike the UI so much but honestly OS 15 is rock solid and it looks great, I’d be very happy sticking with it until EOL for this machine.

andy_ppp 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Usually I like Apple’s OS updates but Tahoe is absolutely awful from the glass to the noddy sizing of everything. MacOS does not have to harmonise with VisionOS at all and it’s been a disaster for macOS to try.

mrweasel 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Maybe it looks better on a nicer monitor or something. To me there's nothing terribly broken about the Tahoe UI, but it's clearly rushed because there are a ton of weird little things that just look off.

The dock is suppose to look like the icons float in a class panel, but the reflections in the glass look pixilated and the effect isn't there. The dock icons are centred in the dock, but the activity indicator on the "glass" pane make it look like they're not.

In the control panel, and other windows with a left panel, it's clear that the window curve and the panel curve aren't the same and the transparency of the panel makes it even more clear. I don't understand why some panels can be transparent, but other parts of the window isn't. There's no reason for the transparency.

The Tahoe looks like Gnome theme from 2005, it's interesting, sort of pretty, but the details makes it clear that the authors doesn't quite have the skills to perfect it.

Apple have been slacking in the UI quality control department in the past few years. I have similar issues on my iPhone SE, Apple (and app authors) clearly doesn't test on this phone, because UI elements frequently overlap.

Also I'm still annoyed about the control panel being ported over from iOS. You can't find anything and the window can't even be made wider.

drooopy 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tahoe's UI looks like a generic, "futuristic-like", user-created theme for KDE circa 2009.

microtonal 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

The only missing thing are wobbly windows and a cube desktop switcher.

(Yes, I know, don’t give them ideas.)

reddalo 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree. Tahoe is disgustingly unusable; I'm happy that Alan Dye left Apple.

I hope Apple will backtrack on Liquid Glass after Tahoe. Otherwise, I'll just switch to Linux.

radicaldreamer 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They will likely tweak it but very unlikely that they’ll remove it altogether, especially with the upcoming touch screen MacBook Pro.

Companies like Apple typically don’t make reversals quickly (the butterfly keyboard took years to remedy).

mhurron 10 hours ago | parent [-]

They'll do what they always do, it'll be the greatest thing ever just getting minor tweaks for 3-4 releases and then will be superseded by the greatest thing ever.

troupo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why would they backtrack? Alan Dye wasn't the only person at Apple pushing this with God-like powers overriding everyone's decisions. [1]

New head of design, surprise surprise: Apple's new software design chief, Steve Lemay, was "a driving force" behind Liquid Glass and was "deeply involved in its development." https://www.macrumors.com/2026/03/15/ios-27-macos-27-no-majo...

[1] I have small rant about this pervasive view here: https://dmitriid.com/the-curious-case-of-alan-dye

nomel 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> disgustingly unusable

Any specifics in mind? I, personally, haven't noticed much, beyond the initial difficulty in resizing windows.

Forgeties79 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Just swap to Linux if you don’t have a true reason to stay on Mac. I flipped last April and man, it is wonderful. Bazzite boot, no windows partition or anything. It just works.

Plus I have a 2016 MBpro I keep around in case I absolutely need a Mac (rare). Usually it’s an old drive formatted for Mac and I don’t feel like futzing around with software that allows it to read on my main computer.

Synaesthesia 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't know, I always see this pattern with iOS or MacOS releases. Everyone piles on at the time.

I've actually quite enjoyed some design changes in Tahoe, and looking at older versions of MacOS just looks old fashioned once you're used to them.

kryptiskt 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

That's actually a problem with Tahoe, it is not something new and bold, it's old-fashioned. Transparency already has come and gone as a UI fad, and it doesn't really make any big difference if you throw computationally expensive effects at it.

hbn 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Almost every update I'm skeptical at first and then after a while I see a screenshot of the old UI and think "how did I ever use that?"

Tahoe I've been using since it came out and every time I see a screenshot of prior versions I think "wow it used to look so much better"

microtonal a minute ago | parent [-]

Yeah, there was a post recently about how window chrome changes over the years and I felt like the slowly boiled frog:

https://pxlnv.com/blog/window-chrome-of-our-discontent/

The usability of older versions was so much better. Every version is a regression, moving closer to sameness drab.

halapro 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've always been "pro-change" for UIs, as opposed to the bunch of people in the "bring the old UI back" camp, but Tahoe looked like fecal matter from the moment it was introduced.

On iOS it's manageable with reduced transparency, but on macOS it's just so awful I won't upgrade.

josteink an hour ago | parent [-]

I was forced to upgrade at work.

So I’ve enabled reduced transparency and all the other accessibility settings I can find to remove the terribleness.

The UI is now mono-coloured gray and looks like MacOS back in the days before OS X was a thing - but it’s still better than what Apple “envisioned” with Tahoe.

spijdar 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm sure this is true, and that there will always be a (likely disproportionately) loud group of complainers, many of whom will forget about their complaints. I haven't really publicly complained about Tahoe before, and I don't intend on whining about it again. But...

It's fine. I'm not going to rail about how it's unusable, or say that it makes me want to gouge out my eyes, or whatever. But it's enough to dissuade me from ever wanting to buy another Mac, if I have the option of using a desktop Linux system.

That's a pretty big caveat. But those curved window borders and the rounded widgets in e.g. the settings menu are kind of awful. Not unusable. But every time I open a terminal and I deal with the choice of either having obscene padding around my content or seeing a few pixels of my prompt's corners shaved off, I get just a little more irritated, and a little less likely to pick up my Macbook the next time I'm deciding which device to use.

brailsafe 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Good UI for tools, physical or digitial, should reduce the friction between picking it up and using it for something, that's the problem at the core of design. With the small caveat that sometimes technically good but perhaps unethical design solves stupid business problems well, like deliberately making chairs uncomfortable to keep traffic moving through a busy cafe, or making anti-homeless benches, design should not dissuade you from using something you purchased to solve other problems; it's unprincipled.

harha 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I got a Mac mini and was very positively surprised that it still ran the older version. I can use the size setting I'm comfortable with in the display menu. When I use Tahoe, I need to make the setting smaller to have a reasonable amount of apps open, but then it's uncomfortable to read.

thewhitetulip 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

My Tahoe issue was that when I shared screen with zoom I used to have some weird bug where the screenshare had issues. It was fixed in the last 2 updates. Either a tahoe issue or a zoom issue but you'd think that they'd have a beta program to fix such issues in the testing phase.

orion7 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I use Linux at home and MacOS at work; I am quite fond of every visual change in Tahoe with sole the exception of the obscenely large radius rounded window corners which make no sense on a rectangular screen and make resizing windows a relatively slow and arduous task. I really wish they could be disabled.

stevekemp 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I've used Linux at home for 20+ years, and sometimes mac at work.

To be honest I struggle to notice many changes, my machine was already configured the way I liked it and at work I basically live in only four applications:

Firefox for personal-browsing, chrome for work-browsing, terminal for running terraform, git, etc, and emacs for all development work.

Sure resizing is less good, but I do that once a day, in the morning, when I login. The rest of the changes I just don't notice or care about.

m463 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

arguably rounded corners have been an apple brand-image thing for a long time, like the icons on ios.

I kind of wonder if this is like overdoing your watch logo stuff like in this article: https://paulgraham.com/brandage.html

neom 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was really happy when they added the pictures! Dyslexia, the icons are 100% faster for me, I don't use those menus often enough to know what is in there word wise, but I can read the icons super fast.

cosmotic 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How can you read the icons if they mean different things in different apps?

LeoPanthera 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Can you provide some examples of this? In my experience, they're quite consistent.

Crestwave 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Here's an in-depth analysis (also linked in the OP): https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/

neom 9 hours ago | parent [-]

A lot of the examples in here, I can't find? Like, I looked around for the new smart folder with the cog icon, where is it on my mac? Same with save as check, where is that? Also I'm pretty sure (although I can't find it) the save as with the up arrow is save as out to something? The ones I do find, all make perfect sense and work pretty well for me, they're not totally perfect but I'd never thought about them much before this post and I use them almost exclusively. Look at all his new for example, see new finder window? Look at the box around it, then open your window menu at the top of your screen, see how minimize has the same box around it? If you go though those icons set, most of them have: primary, secondary and sometimes tertiary visual clues. I dunno, I read that blog post and it doesn't really jive with me. I'm sure they could stand to clean it up a bit, I don't know I'm not a designer, but I'm certainly glad they are there!!! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

arm 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

New Smart Folder with a cogwheel icon is in the File menu of Notes.app, while New Smart Folder with a folder+cogwheel icon is in the File menu of Finder.app.

neom 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Thanks! I don't use the notes app, cog is not the best icon for that but I suppose it's differentiated from the file system version, if I read them both the same I might be confused, but not sure why they selected cog!!!

garbagewoman 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah should be an accessibility setting for the few users who need it

OJFord 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/ (second section on consistency)

thenthenthen 4 hours ago | parent [-]

The later examples are pretty wild, 3 different ‘minimize’ icons? Why? Different teams?

nopakos 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So it should be an accessibility setting. I don't mind if the default is on or off.

troupo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In article we discuss has a link to this article: https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2025/icons-in-menus/ Which has a good paragraph with an example:

--- start quote ---

Get a bunch of people in a room, show them menus where the textual labels are gone, and see who can get the most right.

--- end quote ---

Icons won't help you when they are inconsistent, or don't mean anything.

It's impossible to find a suitable visual metaphor for every possible action of every possible app and cram it into a tiny monochrome icon.

Gagarin1917 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It shouldn’t even be just you and others with dyslexia either.

Processing images is always faster than processing text for everyone.

steve_adams_86 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I would argue this is only true when the image is apt. In Tahoe I don't think this is always true. The lack of consistency in layout and presence of icons is also visually difficult to process. The signal to noise ratio of the icon gutter is very poor.

I like it in theory but the execution seems more harmful than helpful so far. If I'm wrong and it's helping some people, that's great.

fainpul an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

With all these commandline and registry hacks to make macOS and Windows bearable, why not use Linux? You will also have to use the commandline if you want total customizability, but at least the OS doesn't actively fight you.

slaiyer6 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I just want brushed metal Aqua with Lucida Grande back. Seems to be too much to ask for.

xoxxala 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Oh, thank you for posting this. Just ran the Terminal command and it’s a vast improvement.

VimEscapeArtist 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No screenshot? Dunno what’s all about. What menu?

seidoger 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, I was wondering (I haven't updated, patiently waiting for the next major). But here's a great piece about them: https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/

troupo an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

If you read beyond just the headline, you can see a description of the problem with a bunch of links in literally the first paragraph of the article.

reserve 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Great. Thank you for sharing this tip!

elgrantomate 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"apps will respect this change after relaunching" ...? I'm not seeing that happen. restart required?

masswerk 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I guess, this means logging out as the current user and logging in again, so that the various services are relaunched with changed settings.

JSR_FDED 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Currently I’m blocking the Tahoe updates with Little Snitch. If that becomes untenable I’ll just run Sequoia in a VM.

AnonC 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I’d like to know what rules you use to prevent Tahoe updates while allowing Sequoia updates. It would be quite useful to me, and I guess, to others here who use Little Snitch.

mrtesthah 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Just enable the Sequoia developer/beta channel. You won’t see other updates then.

testing22321 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I setup a do not disturb to run all day everyday. I have not had a notification to update to Tahoe in over a month.

mholm 8 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't even have any special handling set and haven't had any Tahoe prompts beyond maybe the first one. I often forget that I'm not on the latest anymore.

ChrisArchitect 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Source: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/116262411548746327 (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47468034)

zahirbmirza 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I still miss launchpad. Which is made worse by the fact the spotlight has become terrible.

Safari is unusable due to some weird sync that happens whenever I open a new window ( i dont use tabs) and adding bookmarks takes about 10-15 seconds.

Please Apple, help? Apple seem to have lost their cultish drive to satisfy UI obsessive like me who often didn't even know what we wanted until they gave it to us. Now, we know what we want, but Apple can't give it to us.

halapro 2 hours ago | parent [-]

As much as I resisted it, I switched to Alfred years ago and I don't see myself switching back anytime soon.

ChrisArchitect 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Related:

It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46497712

hooch 12 hours ago | parent [-]

it's as if the icons get added by a lazy LLM prompt during CI

9dev 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Which is probably exactly what happened. Reportedly Apple is all-in on Claude across the board.

nayroclade 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Nah, blaming AI is too easy. It's more likely that Apple's design culture got rotted out under Alan Dye https://daringfireball.net/2025/12/bad_dye_job

Now that Dye is gone, I still hold out hope that Apple will change direction and start fixing their UI. But that fact that it got this bad in the first place implies things are seriously broken at a senior leadership level.

saagarjha 5 hours ago | parent [-]

What makes you think that things aren't bad under him?

john_alan 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Great now just need the same for the window corners and ridiculous Finder overlays.

josteink an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I just stopped using Finder all together.

Bloom is a fairly cheap one-time purchase and infinitely more capable.

https://bloomapp.club/

0xFEE1DEAD 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Exactly.

I blame apple for making me run an old macOS version because I don't want to look at this ugly mess they've created. I've been running macOS since 2008, and unless they manage to turn things around, my next laptop won't be an apple.

reddalo 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I agree. I also tried Tahoe, and reverted back to Sequoia right away.

Either Apple is going to turn things around, or I'm done with Apple for good.

username223 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> unless they manage to turn things around, my next laptop won't be an apple.

Meh. I ran Linux on a PowerBook back in the day, because Apple made the best hardware and behind-the-times software, before deciding that Mac OS X was "Unix with decent office software" and wholesale switching. I'm fine going back to FVWM on a MacBook if macOS 27 is as bad as 26.

Razengan 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I really dislike Apple’s choice to clutter macOS Tahoe’s menus with icons.

> It makes menus hard to scan

I disagree, I like them, and I'm glad there's an option

With billions of users, it doesn't make sense to offer just one style for everything for everyone, like all the OSes are these days. Hell the Switch and Switch 2 still doesn't have much options beyond Bright/Dark mode.

The only actual solution is customizability; let users fuck themselves up however they want, but always leave a quick "Reset to Defaults" panic button within reach :)

nsxwolf 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I never noticed the icons were even there until I read this.

chkhd 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

After a good decade of Mac Tahoe made me go back to Linux + tiling WM for my main machine. I just could not stand the awful mess anymore.

Result? inner peace. It is so calm here, and everything is so familiar and fast.

And the MBP hardware seems to be getting shittier too :/ have trackpad issues on both my latest personal and work M4 MBPs.

jayrot 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I strongly disagree. Tahoe is horrible but Mac hardware is terrific. Have you seen a Neo?

I think Apple is hitting it out of the park (falling behind in many other areas)

gib444 5 hours ago | parent [-]

They're referring to reliability btw

thenthenthen 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Window management on OSX/macOS cost me so much time of my life, still the hardware and overall experience is pretty nice.

dawnerd 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There's actually a built in way to remove them in settings. System Settings -> Menu Bar.

You can uncheck or drag items around in the menu bar and group some inside of the menu bar control (and even create new menu bar controls).

I wish you could add third party apps to them, maybe that'll be next. But it's nice you can hide any apps icon right there.

k2enemy 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is for the icons in the drop-down menus, not the icons in the menu bar.

Etheryte 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is not what the article is about though?

hyperhello 12 hours ago | parent [-]

It could have used a screen shot.

watt 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Read Tonsky for that. https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/ a disgrace. https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/writing_direction@2x.webp...

NetOpWibby 8 hours ago | parent [-]

This is disgusting. Like, I'm using macOS but just seeing this standalone makes me cringe.