| ▲ | goldenarm 2 days ago |
| I moved from LA to Paris, my mental and physical health improved dramatically. I don't even take the subway, walking and biking are enough where I live. Hopefully we can reach the comfort of dutch cities within a decade. |
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| ▲ | Nevermark a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| Several years ago, I moved to twin university towns, where I can walk everywhere including between towns. Funny thing about distances in small towns. It doesn't take long to start perceiving a ten or fifteen minute drive as a "long" drive. But a two hour walk while I turn over a difficult design problem goes by in an instant. The difference between time that saps or renews our energy. And I am off for a walk... |
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| ▲ | vovavili 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I was more comfortable living in Paris than living in a Dutch city because I was able to live in a banlieue. Biking here is more developed, and that's a plus. But having my job, my living space, my friends and my favorite weekend activities spread across Amsterdam, Rotterdam and The Hague does take a bit of a toll. I wish The Netherlands did have a much less restrictive housing policy. |
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| ▲ | goldenarm 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Interesting ! My comparison was indeed limited, I only lived in center of Den Haag as a foreigner. Decentralization has its pros and cons, but Paris is way too centralized around Chatelet sometimes. | | |
| ▲ | black_puppydog a day ago | parent [-] | | France as a whole is way too centralized on Paris and it's actually hurting the country. If you do read French, there is a very interesting book from 2024 (IIRC) about this. It's called "Quand le parisianisme écrase la France". Before reading this book I always thought Germany (where I grew up) was the exception for being more decentralized. But it looks like actually France is way more centralized even compared to other pretty centralized countries. | | |
| ▲ | pfannkuchen a day ago | parent [-] | | How is it hurting the country? Japan seems fine with it. Or maybe it’s a scapegoat? |
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| ▲ | pkulak a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How's your French? Sounds like a flippant question, but I hear Parisians are not that... tolerant of even bad French speakers, let alone non-speakers. That stereotype has kept me from visiting, let alone living there, despite it probably being my dream city in every other respect. I'm in my mid 40s, and learning a new (spoken) language has become extremely difficult. I spent 2 years trying to learn German a while back and it was a pretty big failure. |
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| ▲ | anvuong a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Maybe it's time to stop caring about these stereotypes over-amplified by social media? I'm from Asia and I speak English with a heavy accent, the only French I know is "merci beaucoup", "toilet?", and "au revoir". I've visited Paris twice (1 week each time) and language barrier or the so-called "Parisian elitism" had never prevented me to enjoy my stay there. That being said, there is still a lot to hate about Paris: dirty and overcrowded subway, shady people everywhere, especially around tourists' places of interest, etc. Not that much different from big cities like NYC, SF, Seattle, etc. | | |
| ▲ | GonzagueGB a day ago | parent [-] | | NYC is way filthier of a city than Paris. The subway in NYC is mental, and don’t even talk about how unfriendly people are in NYC compared to Paris. I felt safer in Paris, LA, and Seattle than I ever was in NYC. | | |
| ▲ | illiac786 a day ago | parent [-] | | That made me smile. I always felt people in Paris are so unfriendly while in New-York I felt almost aggressed by too much friendliness: Never had so many people asking how my day was going… | | |
| ▲ | valcker a day ago | parent [-] | | Did they really care about your day though? I feel that in France this type of conversation is rare but much more genuine and not a part of a “service”. | | |
| ▲ | gusgus01 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I can't comment for anyone else other than me of course, but as a person in NY and who has worked in a customer service job, I do care. I wouldn't ask if I didn't. | |
| ▲ | illiac786 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Oh no they didn’t but at least they pretended. In Paris, they pretend they hate you I feel. |
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| ▲ | laughing_man a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | When I visited Paris a few years back I found the key was greeting people in French. Maybe spend a couple hours learning how to say hello, how to say "excuse me" and "thank you", how to ask where the nearest toilet is, how to ask for the cheque, etc. If people see you making the effort, they'll switch to English, in my case, anyway. But you have to show some respect, first. You have to let people know you understand you're a guest in their country. Of course, this was many years ago. Things may be different now. And of course, if you're going to live there you're going to have to learn the language as quickly as you can. | |
| ▲ | interstice a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I've had a few experiences in France, as recently as a month ago. Not speaking French (I do not) is not generally a problem, no one seems to mind. What some parts of Europe do mind is being too... How do I put this politely... Obviously from certain places with very little sensitivity for where in the the world they happen to be at the time. Often loudly. | |
| ▲ | ungovernableCat a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Prevented from visiting? Paris is one of the most visited cities in the world, and the Parisians are pragmatic people. If you're kind and respectful they'll give you that in return. I can only say the most basic phrases in French and have experienced zero problems. | |
| ▲ | Frost1x a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It’s probably more similar to Japan in terms of cultural tolerance. I heard the same story years ago and only recently visited (just after the Paris Olympics). I usually try to learn some of the basics of the language before visiting but was incredibly busy and didn’t this trip. I had no issues and I was all over Paris. People were very reasonable, and translation apps/services helped me plenty, but for the most part they spoke English or could understand some basic level of it. If you live there and try to assimilate but speak poorly or little, there may be less tolerance? As a tourist I had not a single incident. I don’t like to be the ugly American who just assumes the world should speak my language, so I was ready for language barriers, but I had no real issues at all. | | |
| ▲ | satvikpendem a day ago | parent [-] | | Agreed. It seems the Olympics really bolstered both Japan and France from before, where even in remote regions of Japan I had no issue speaking basic English for things I needed. |
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| ▲ | shakow a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | As a Frenchman living in Paris – we have such a huge expat community already (and many english-speakers, I worked with Brits, Aussies, Kiwis, Americans, Canadians) than one more or less will be a non-event. Now it's true that Americans tend to love to frighten each other with firecamp stories about the Big Bad Frenchman, but IME it's mostly a mix of latent francophobia and a grapevine of bad experience between what is locally perceived as wholly uneducated Americans and local Frenchmen that the Americans tend to see as arrogant. The latest if most often due to (i) tourists forgetting that what is a great week you spent years saving for is another Tuesday for the other guys in the street, (ii) many fundamental French etiquette rules (don't shout, say “hello” first when talking to someone, the absence of a hierarchical relationship between hospitality personnel and customers, distant behaviour is not arrogance but a mark of respect, etc.) are completely accessory in the US customs, leading to very strong misunderstandings. So book a trip for a week and come say hello, we don't bite! (and avoid like the plague any café/restaurant in the touristy areas) | | |
| ▲ | orochimaaru a day ago | parent [-] | | >>> say “hello” first when talking to someone, the absence of a hierarchical relationship between hospitality personnel and customers These two are generally adhered to in the US as well. May be the hierarchy part is there if you're staying at really exclusive resorts. But by and large, most folks are polite. There is obviously the random asshole. But those exist everywhere. | | |
| ▲ | shakow a day ago | parent [-] | | > These two are generally adhered to in the US as well I'm not sure; granted I did not visit a lot of places in the US, but when I was there (Miami/Denver/Phoenix), I virtually never saw e.g. a customer greets the cashier when buying things. | | |
| ▲ | Throaway1975123 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | That would have been considered extremely rude in the past. But beginning with millennials, these kinds of "mandatory" niceties began to fall away. Now with smartphones, hardly anyone looks up at each anymore. Why would they? We all know how the transaction is gonna go. |
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| ▲ | Rebelgecko a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I went to Paris last year and it was not a big deal, as long as you know the basics like excuse me/please/thank you. A few times someone would correct us (eg "after 6pm we say bonsoir instead of bonjour"), but it never felt like it was done in a dickish way and people were generally pretty accommodating. Perhaps it helps that I went to Paris with low expectations, not thinking it'd live up to the hype, but I had a great time. Definitely don't let the language thing keep you from going! | |
| ▲ | yardie a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If you can you should go. Lived there for 12 years and my French was not amazing but no one gave me shit about it. English has been required in schools since 00s basically anyone under 40 should be able to communicate. But knowing some French goes a lot further. | |
| ▲ | teekert a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | As a Dutch person having spend many summers in France, I can say that the latest generations are much more tolerant and friendly. When I was young (90’s) I saw camping owners with war grudges screaming “Campsite Full!! (Complet!! In French)” To any German. I also had to walk out of a boulangerie without croissants because they couldn’t understand the way I pronounced croissant… but nowadays you can just speak English anywhere. | |
| ▲ | goldenarm a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm french, but I have a dozen of friends here that don't speak English and have an active social circle. In some streets of Le Marais you can hear more English than french | |
| ▲ | ta9000 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I’ve traveled all over the world and the French were by far the biggest assholes I’ve encountered, especially in hospitality. | |
| ▲ | watwut a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They acted like normal people when we have been there. | |
| ▲ | estimator7292 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Paris has a population of 2 million people, a good chunk of whom are not native to France. It's safe to assume you'll encounter a very wide variety of people speaking many different languages. |
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| ▲ | rayiner a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How many kids do you have? How comfortable is the downtown core for families with 2-3 kids? |
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| ▲ | dddw 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Enough playgrounds last time I visited. | | |
| ▲ | rayiner 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Okay, but how convenient is it to get 2-3 kids all the places they need to go using Paris’s public transport? |
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| ▲ | goldenarm a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don't have kids yet, but some arrondissements are very family friendly, some are not |
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| ▲ | mrtksn 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| What do you think about all those videos on how dangerous Paris is? Having made the move, would you say that those stem from real experiences and are organic or would you say that it was an organized campaign for some political reason? Or maybe something else? Trump keeps saying that they want to prevent USA becoming a dangerous place like Europe, even said that recently and the Irish president disagreed with him. As an American, would you say that EU has fallen and it has become a shithole or maybe something in between? I'm just curious if its just about differences of expectations or something. |
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| ▲ | KaiserPro a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > What do you think about all those videos on how dangerous Paris is? The question to ask is why those videos are being made. Paris, as other people have pointed out, has a much lower homicide rate than big US cities. However for pickpocketing, paris is notorious. But getting actual stats that are comparable is difficult. | | |
| ▲ | orochimaaru a day ago | parent [-] | | Homicide in US cities is an inner city issue. It's not mainstream. There's bad areas - stay out of them. It depends if pick pocketing is ubiquitous or prevalent only in specific places. | | |
| ▲ | _delirium a day ago | parent | next [-] | | It's not just an inner city issue. Rural areas in the U.S. are bad too! Parts of the rural south and rural midwest have homicide rates that are completely off the charts for a first-world country (Holmes County, MS; Scioto County, OH; McDowell County, WV). | |
| ▲ | sneak a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | The homicides in the US are not random, they are targeted. There is no need to avoid “bad areas” unless you are attempting to start a new gang or sell drugs there. | | |
| ▲ | KaiserPro 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | > The homicides in the US are not random, they are targeted I don't think that's really selling it to me. it sounds like there is a organised crime problem in the USA. |
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| ▲ | jancsika a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > As an American, would you say that EU has fallen and it has become a shithole or maybe something in between? Would love to know the social media you've been consuming that could make you believe that an American in Paris who is praising French city planning for its positive health effects could possibly believe anything close to that epithet uttered by the current American president. | |
| ▲ | goldenarm 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't have anecdata, but Paris homicide rate is 6x less than LA, 10x fewer car related deaths, but only 1.2x less crime. Comparing countries and policies is a great thing, we have to learn from each other. Just be careful of misinformation and out of context numbers. Sure France's GDP seems lower, but they don't need a larger car and a larger diet coke to be happier. | | |
| ▲ | pkulak a day ago | parent [-] | | I just paid about 2 grand for new tires on my car. That contributed to GDP, but it certainly didn't make me happier than I'd be if I didn't need a car in the first place. GDP is very misleading when it's measuring work that shouldn't need to be done in the first place. Hurricanes and earthquakes are also amazing for GDP, especially in places that never bothered to prepare for them. |
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| ▲ | rkomorn 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | As a European who moved to the US for 20+ years then moved back to Europe, any idea that Europe is a shithole or has fallen is ludicrous. If anything, the US degraded far more over the time I spent there than Europe did while I was away. | | |
| ▲ | mrtksn 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I am EU too and I know Europe is doing quite fine on average with some good and bad places but I wonder if all this is propaganda for the Americans or if the Americans genuinely expect something else from life. | | |
| ▲ | mcv a day ago | parent [-] | | My impression is that it's propaganda to stop Americans from expecting the same from life. |
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| ▲ | anvuong a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I have visited Seattle, SF, LA, Phoenix, Miami, Shanghai, Tokyo, Paris, and Amsterdam in the past 2 years, and I can say with 100% confident that the cities in the US are shit compared to those in Asia and EU. They are not even close, they are just simply shit, there is no comparison at all. I have no idea what the statistics is, but I feel much less safe in US cities. | |
| ▲ | watwut a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | EU is overall safer then USA. Including Paris. And cops are significantly less likely to shoot you. You dont have to be afraid of them. | | | |
| ▲ | StyloBill 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The idea that Paris is more dangerous than any big city in the US is laughable, and any person that thinks otherwise or that believes anything that Trump spouts is either gravely uneducated at best, or an absolute moron at worst. | |
| ▲ | UncleMeat a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Videos about how dangerous some city is, often to scare people about nonwhite residents, is a longstanding and utterly useless genre. Better to get crime information from anything else. | |
| ▲ | kjkjadksj 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Trump and his base think that. The rest of us know we are 40 years behind the rest of the modern world. |
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