| ▲ | cmiles8 18 hours ago |
| There’s a strong chance the IPO window has passed. I just don’t see investors willing to jump in here given all the questions about the financial viability of AI. The bulk of those investing now are broadly just pumping cash into the fire to keep their prior investments from going to zero. We have hit a mass deceleration of what the current tech can do with transformers. The tech is also on a path to hyper-commoditization which will destroy the value of the big players as there zero moat to be had here. Absent a new major breakthrough it looks like we’re well on our way into the “trough of disillusionment” for the current AI hype cycle. Will be interesting to see how all this plays out, but get your popcorn ready. |
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| ▲ | chollida1 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > There’s a strong chance the IPO window has passed Ha, i'll take the other side of that bet. I'm not sure why you think they couldn't possibly IPO and you don't really specify why in your post. Having been in the capital markets for 20 years, now is one of the better times to IPO and I'd bet that both OpenAI and Anthropic will IPO within 12 months. There are lots of games you can play like releasing a small 10% float) if you are worried about not enough buyers. |
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| ▲ | smcin an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Polymarket (for whatever it's worth) currently has OpenAI IPO at only 4% by end June and 40% by end December (and that's even for a small-float IPO as has become common). https://polymarket.com/event/openai-ipo-by | |
| ▲ | financetechbro 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I was in the capital markets during the COVID era, focusing on transactions for tech companies. I will take the bet that if OAI tries to IPO it will be WeWork 2.0 x100. Get ready for an even more creative version of “Community adjusted EBITDA” On the real though, I am not sure how a 20yr veteran can say this is the best time for an IPO. Not only is a 10% float still absolutely massive, but the world is extremely unstable with the war in Iran and the US is in a recession when you factor out inflated growth driven by AI. Not to mention the Yen carry trade unwinding - there is so much loaded in the economy ready to blow up… I think the facade will collapse if OAI actually goes for it. | | |
| ▲ | chollida1 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Umm the yen carry trade unwound in August of 2024. It hasn’t been a factor in the markets for over a year:) > On the real though, I am not sure how a 20yr veteran can say this is the best time for an IPO. The best time for an open AI and anthropic ipo. They are hot now, the macro environment doesn’t weigh into that calculus. Also a 10% float isn’t massive, most companies ipo with anywhere from 20-40% of their total share count. And being a 20 year veteran means you can cut through all the noise you mention and focuse in what matters. At all most all points in History there is doom and gloom, 20 years gives you the experience to know most of the doom and gloom never matters. You go public when you get the chance. I appreciate you comment and I hope I helped update your understanding of how things work!! | | |
| ▲ | financetechbro 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Current valuation of OAI is $840bn. 10% float is $80bn, largest US IPO was BABA at $24bn, how is this not massive? | | |
| ▲ | chollida1 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Oh, sorry I thought you meant the percentage would be huge. Yes it’s a big ipo but early indications are that they’d be about 2x over subscribed if they ipo’d today from what the sell side is saying and I don’t doubt it from what other funds are saying. | | |
| ▲ | financetechbro 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Ah understood. It will be fascinating to see how this plays out… OAI needs money one way or another. Thanks for the discourse |
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| ▲ | cik 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | 100% agreed. There's so much locked up appetite for IPOs, both from the tech crowd and the general public. There have been very few quality IPOs since COVID frankly. I'll wager that the IPO market can actually absorb all three of these that yes, are the size of the last 10 years combined. The trading market itself is larger, as are values, and valuations. I assume that to maximize value you see a standard lock and roll play here. The S-1 will declare the 10% release, with commentary about future (6 or 12 months) another 5%. Plus don't forget institutional. There's ample space here, even before the Nasdaq 100 changes that are probably coming into play. If those come into play then inflows accelerated, as did valuations. | | |
| ▲ | cgg23 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | THere's interest to hold it for diversification reasons but the reality is investors are not stupid. Look at the basket-case recent IPOs: Figma and Klarna. Many are skeptical of LLMs and how large of an impact they will have in the long-term. Nvidia's stock performance YTD is an example of that, despite the good news being pushed forward. People want to start seeing customers of OAI, Nvidia et al start generating incremental accounting profits from LLM-specific projects, let alone economic profits. |
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| ▲ | mattfrommars 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Agreed. This year around is the best time for OpenAI related firm to IPO. The stock market has been resilient reaching and hovering around ATH. Along with them, SpaceX plans to IPO and will force index fund to purchase their shares at trillion dollar evaluation. OpenAI and SpaceX firms need exit liquidity - and markets are ready! My advise for retails folks is to stay invested in the market since these trillion dollar companies cannot afford market to tank at all. |
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| ▲ | pera 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The Private Equity world already has a solution for this: Nasdaq's Shame https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47392550 |
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| ▲ | LZ_Khan 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Damn the narrative was just at "we are entering RSI" and this week all of a sudden it changed to "Transformers hit a wall AI winter is coming." Very suspicious. |
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| ▲ | aurareturn 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There’s a strong chance the IPO window has passed. I just don’t see investors willing to jump in here given all the questions about the financial viability of AI.
My guess, it has barely started. I think nearly all AI IPOs have done well so far. |
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| ▲ | newsclues 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Unless the play is the fleece retail investors |
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| ▲ | cmiles8 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | True, although even here there likely aren’t enough retail suckers to go around given the amount of initial investment folks need to cash in. Thats the challenge when you have so much crazy pre-IPO cash pumped in. After you float you still need to sell all those shares at the valuations you want to exit. If they floated say 10% of shares to go public and the price tanks everyone else trying to exit loses their shirt so it’s not a magic exit for the early investors. | | |
| ▲ | Ekaros 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The size of these companies make be doubtful of retail being able to fund them. There being enough retail investors with enough liquid funds who are willing to jump on this. Lot of retail is in various funds. So those doing active management to scale of this is questionable. And then you most likely also have downward pressure for those that try to bet against these IPOs... | | | |
| ▲ | newsclues 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Boomers are the perfect suckers at this point My boomer mom is the kind of person who just heard about AI and would get IPO fomo |
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| ▲ | DaedalusII 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | there arent enough retail investors in the world to buy this ipo but they will get a lot of flow from sovereign wealth fund and pensions you might wonder why anthropic spend time in australia, a country with less economy than canada and almost no industry at all? likely because it has very big pension fund pool to buy their ipo | |
| ▲ | thegreatpeter 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Retail investors do just fine fleecing themselves on their own The term fleecing means „there’s nothing left here, jump ship”. Do you really believe they’re going public to cash out this early in the game? |
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| ▲ | 7thpower 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You must be living on a different planet than me. Enterprises are just now seeing that these technologies can actually have an impact, and the companies do not have a discretionary cost cap the same way consumers/hobbyists do, so they will pay based on value. |
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| ▲ | badgersnake 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I would expect a lot of smart money to flow out of the Nasdaq-100 trackers in anticipation of this grift. |
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| ▲ | DaedalusII 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | nasdaq listings can be rough, not sure if anyone remember fb ipo but how else will they own spacex, openai, anthropic, nvidia, in such concentration |
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| ▲ | surgical_fire 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
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| ▲ | CursedSilicon 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | Hey uh. Slurs aren't cool. You could've just as easily said "investors are morons" and had the same connotations without disparaging a group of people | | |
| ▲ | tartuffe78 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Apparently morons once meant the same thing ARCHAIC•MEDICINE
a person having low intelligence or an intellectual disability. | |
| ▲ | surgical_fire 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I disagree, and I also don't care. I really despise this sort language policing, it is clear what my message was. The only group of people I disparaged are Tesla investors, deservingly so. Other types of mentally impaired people have my full sympathy, and that includes charity. | | |
| ▲ | CursedSilicon 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | The thing about using slurs is when you respond with "but [group] deserved it!" you've implied that you're happy to use it against someone if you subjectively believe they're "deserving" and that the term should be received negatively | | |
| ▲ | surgical_fire 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Incidentally, I don't refer to other types of mentally impaired people as "retard". The word has a negative connotation, similarly to "moron". Both terms obviously should be received negatively, they are insults. That's how insults work. I am happy to refer to more groups, not only Tesla investors, as retards too. I'll leave this as an exercise to imagination. | | |
| ▲ | CursedSilicon 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm very sorry for the person you choose to be, then | | |
| ▲ | surgical_fire 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Because I understand that insults are insults, and use them accordingly? Maybe you are running out of things to feel sorry about. Either way, this conversation has run its course. Have a wonderful rest of your day. |
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