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expedition32 16 hours ago

Most of the profits come from rich countries. And even then especially the more expensive cars.

(Personally I am fine driving a 10 year old shit box because for me it is just a means of going from A to B and rather spend my money on other things)

jacquesm 16 hours ago | parent [-]

My daily driver is approaching the ripe old age of 30, my main reason is a lack of software.

bojan 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Are you doing the maintenance yourself? I guess at some point the yearly maintenance costs exceed the value of the car itself.

pge 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Not the OP but have a 20-year-old car. The relevant calculation is not cost of annual repair v value of car, but rather annual cost vs annual cost of a new car. Even if you amortize the upfront cost of a new car over 20 years, the increased insurance cost and (depending on where you live) property taxes plus some annual maintenance, at least for me, is substantially more expensive than annual maintenance on my current car.

jacquesm 14 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, precisely. The 2018 Mercedes I had before this one was a lot more expensive to keep rolling. And super unsafe.

jacquesm 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I did a from-the-ground-up rebuild (including the engine) just after buying it. That cost an arm and a leg but all in (including the original car) it still came to ~half of what a new one would cost. Anything that had been 'improved' on it was brought back to stock. It's been super reliable, I've had it since jan 2020, put a considerable number of kms on it and it hasn't let me down (so far :) ).

As for doing the maintenance myself, I don't have experience with this kind of car at all, I've worked a lot on classic Mini's, Citroens (2CV and DS) and Austin Maxi. But never anything like this so I'm more than happy to let someone else earn a buck on it. But it's been pretty cheap to run so far, fuel, oil, regular service and once a control arm that got bent out of shape.

Compared to a new vehicle I'm considerably better off.

jjav 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I guess at some point the yearly maintenance costs exceed the value of the car itself.

This is often mentioned but is not relevant.

In terms of cost, what matters is whether an equally good (for whatever metrics a car is "good" to you) replacement car will cost less or more.

kjkjadksj 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That would not be the case amortized I expect. You can sell virtually any car for $5k as a floor price I’d say. Most yearly maintenance amounts to changing oil. Maybe tires every four years. Every 5-10 years maybe a bigger couple hundred dollar job. That has been about my experience owning used cars. But still well below $5k/yr.

alliao 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

damn it missed the whole suicidal airbag scandal too!

speedgoose 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I’m what part of the world do you live to have a carbureted car from the late 90s?

jacquesm 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Netherlands. And fuel injection has been a thing since the 1930s for Diesel and the 1950's for vehicles.

Yes, it has an ECU and ooh, gollies there is software in that. But it's completely invisible from an interaction point of view, there are no screens, all the buttons just do what they are told, there are no 'upgrades', no bugs, interfaces, restarts and attempts to kill me through 'assistance'.

speedgoose 15 hours ago | parent [-]

I understand the appeal. Do you use paper maps too or you have a smartphone on the dashboard ? That would be a bit cheating.

jacquesm 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I know where I'm going :)

antonvs 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s interesting to see how people who grew up with smartphones think.

It’s entirely possible to get around without smartphones or paper maps. There are road signs, written directions, verbal directions. The main time I used to use a paper map was driving long distance trips in a foreign country.

cozzyd 14 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah I wonder how they get around on a bike...

speedgoose 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If I don’t know the area and it’s not trivial, I use a map on my phone or my watch.

_carbyau_ 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Really? Sounds like you are a possible customer... can I interest you in a handlebar mount for your phone?

https://www.quadlockcase.com.au/products/bike-mount

cozzyd 10 hours ago | parent [-]

I have one, but I haven't used it since I got a smart watch (I mostly used it to track my speed). I actually really dislike navigation apps, since they tend to take you on strange routes that maybe are slightly shorter? To be fair, I haven't owned a car in 15 years, so I rarely drive.

selimthegrim 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think Pakistan they are still kicking around.