> Over the years, FreeBSD has served me well. At a certain point it stepped down as my primary desktop - partly because I switched to Mac, partly because of unsupported hardware - but it never stopped being one of my first choices for servers and any serious workload.

Not my idea of love. Maybe that hardware was supported on Linux. Switch from Linux to FreeBSD so that you can later switch to Mac when you get frustrated with unsupported hardware is not a good pitch.

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freeopinion 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

FreeBSD supports a much larger range of hardware than MacOS. It's a bit strange to bemoan hardware support, then switch OS and buy very specific hardware for that OS.

Imagine quitting MacOS because it doesn't support Realtek RTL8188CUS.

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pjmlp 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Something that a Mac user or developer, those that have been on the ecosystem for decades would never bother to do anyway.

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bitwize 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well it just so happens that the best hardware in the world for desktop use—literally years ahead of any competition—is made by the makers of macOS and is totally supported by macOS.

	▲	adrian_b 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		What you say is true only when you define "desktop use" in a certain way, which corresponds to what an Apple PC is good for. I define "desktop use" in another way, and for my definition any Apple PC is completely non-competitive, by having a much lower performance and a much higher price than a desktop PC using an AMD Ryzen CPU. Apple PCs have exceptional single-thread performance, but that is irrelevant for me. I care about multi-threaded performance and especially about floating-point FP64 and big integer computational throughput, for which the Apple CPUs are weak, one could say years behind their competition, except that Apple does not make any attempt to compete in this domain. An Apple PC may be the optimum PC for your needs and that is fine, but you should not believe that any computer user has the same needs as you.

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nullpoint420 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

100%. It reminds me of how a ton of FreeBSD devs moved to Mac during the Darwin days. Then they were abandoned by Apple once they stopped contributing to upstream.

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frumplestlatz 6 hours ago | parent [-]

We weren’t abandoned by Apple — Apple never contributed to upstream. Darwin and OpenDarwin were APSL projects and never fed code back into FreeBSD.

Using macOS meant we got laptop hardware that worked reliably, including Wi-Fi, running a more or less BSD-derived userspace.

The lack of graphics and Wi-Fi driver support on the *BSDs is not Apple’s fault. It has always been a resource issue.

Thanks to the AT&T lawsuit, Linux secured momentum at a critical juncture — and here we are. Path dependence and the complexities of real life mean that “winning” is never just a question of technical merit.

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pjmlp 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A consequence of the license, which allows Apple and Sony to do exactly that.

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frumplestlatz 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I and other FreeBSD developers are okay with that — if we weren’t, we’d be using a different license.

	▲	pjmlp 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Looking to some complaints doesn't feel like everyone is.

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hideout_berlin 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

do you remember opendarwin? i was also at puredarwin but the project seams death

	▲	frumplestlatz 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yes, and Apple did kill it, unfortunately — but it was never an effort to push code upstream into the BSDs.