100%. It reminds me of how a ton of FreeBSD devs moved to Mac during the Darwin days. Then they were abandoned by Apple once they stopped contributing to upstream.

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frumplestlatz 6 hours ago | parent [-]

We weren’t abandoned by Apple — Apple never contributed to upstream. Darwin and OpenDarwin were APSL projects and never fed code back into FreeBSD.

Using macOS meant we got laptop hardware that worked reliably, including Wi-Fi, running a more or less BSD-derived userspace.

The lack of graphics and Wi-Fi driver support on the *BSDs is not Apple’s fault. It has always been a resource issue.

Thanks to the AT&T lawsuit, Linux secured momentum at a critical juncture — and here we are. Path dependence and the complexities of real life mean that “winning” is never just a question of technical merit.

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pjmlp 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A consequence of the license, which allows Apple and Sony to do exactly that.

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frumplestlatz 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I and other FreeBSD developers are okay with that — if we weren’t, we’d be using a different license.

	▲	pjmlp 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Looking to some complaints doesn't feel like everyone is.

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hideout_berlin 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

do you remember opendarwin? i was also at puredarwin but the project seams death

	▲	frumplestlatz 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yes, and Apple did kill it, unfortunately — but it was never an effort to push code upstream into the BSDs.