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Waterluvian 4 hours ago

I think the idea behind a prediction market is pretty interesting, especially from an economics dataset point-of-view. And there's probably a lot of fun, harmless things to bet on. eg. "Will Conan lead an extravagent musical number at the Oscars?"

But we're in an era of less and less responsible government oversight, so the whole thing naturally gets ruined if there's no guardrails to prevent peoeple without souls or the accompanying morals from participating in ugly, greedy ways.

Though I'm also likely to adopt the idea that the absenece of competent government is an effect, not a cause, of some societies having had to mortgage their souls.

Edit: I mean, yeah, if you're stuck being fixated on pessimism and greed, of course there's a lot of ways this can be exploited. I just think that in its more pure, good faith form, the idea of letting the market tell you odds of things happening is pretty fascinating. I'm sure there's a whole body of economics on this idea, that it might be a better predictor of events than other models. I had fun betting $5 here and there on video game announcements/awards. (though for me betting is a game, not a financial strategy)

Balgair 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Friend of a friend does announcing online.

Like, you pay him a little (<= $20 ?) and he'll announce your game of NBA-2K26 on twitch. He does have a good radio voice. A good way to make a little in the off hours.

So, he got a gig to announce the opening of loot boxes at some show. I think it was Fortnite loot boxes. I guess it gives you the total value of the loot box spree you opened. So, 2 people buy a bunch of loot boxes, then open them up, then whoever has the higher value wins and takes both of the people's total haul.

Sounds like a strange thing to have to announce, but sure the guy says you pay and I'll say.

No, it was gambling for the watchers on polymarket [0]. People were betting on who would have the higher value. 'Like a lot of people' he said.

That's High Card. "A lot of" people were betting on games of High Card, essentially.

You know, shuffle a deck, draw 2 cards, whoever has the higher value one wins. Repeat.

It is the most Degenerate form of gambling out there. There is no skill, no human factor, no nothing. Just pure random numbers.

My lord, what a plague we have unleashed. We'll be dealing with this for decades.

[0] no idea if polymarket and the like do things this quickly, but he said they were gambling somehow with another site off of Twitch and then waved his phone, implying you can access it that easily.

thrance an hour ago | parent | next [-]

In my heart of hearts, all gambling is equally degenerate: from stock markets to assasination markets.

chimeracoder 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It is the most Degenerate form of gambling out there. There is no skill, no human factor, no nothing. Just pure random numbers.

While I wouldn't use the word "degenerate", in terms of gambling, this isn't anywhere close to as bad as it gets.

At least this form is (psuedo)random, and the odds are statistically fair and published (by law).

Contrast to slot machines, which are not random, but are in fact preprogrammed to provide payouts in ways which maximize the earnings for the house and the addictive value for the player.

The house always wins, but there is no form of gambling where that is more guaranteed and manipulated than slot machine games (which includes the video arcade-style slot games).

pasquinelli 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> Contrast to slot machines, which are not random, but are in fact preprogrammed to provide payouts in ways which maximize the earnings for the house and the addictive value for the player.

this isn't correct. slot machines are random. my first job out of school was, in part, making sure slot machines were random.

people think the machines are rigged because they don't understand the rules. the machines are fair, it's the pay tables that are rigged.

nemomarx 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

One thing I saw in a study of slot machines is that really addicted slot gamblers eventually become irritated at the jackpot animations, because they break up the "flow" state of pulling the lever or swiping a touch screen continually. They might be the most evil form of gambling we've developed, basically brain jacks for hardcore gambling addicts.

virgil_disgr4ce an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Reminds me of the cheap bets casino from National Lampoons Vegas Vacation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byfewcZsug4

ipaddr 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The insiders ruin a market like this. Unlike in sports/stocks there are no rules / punishment for insider trading.

kasey_junk 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Prediction markets as a useful tool are predicated on insider information. The punters without edge are the bait incentivizing the insiders.

And in the US prediction markets are regulated like commodities which have much more lax insider rules, because again, insider trading is the point.

cjonas 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How is it useful when what we are seeing is insiders place massive bets immediately before the event resolves. Does gaining this information a few hours early provide value to society that offsets the impact of normalizing gambling and attaching incentives to bad outcomes of war, politics, etc.

hrimfaxi 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> insider trading is the point

Says who?

Ajedi32 3 hours ago | parent [-]

It's in the name: Prediction market. The point is to predict an outcome, insiders will naturally be better at that than non-insiders.

Though I think where things start to get a bit more insidious is when the "insiders" have access not merely to inside information, but the ability to change the outcome. That type of insider trading should be banned IMO because it works against the purpose of prediction markets as a tool. (Though the extent to which banning that is possible though is debatable.)

aleph_minus_one 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If some specific prediction market can easily be manipulated by someone with insider knowledge, you better should not gamble in it.

lotsofpulp 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>And there's probably a lot of fun, harmless things to bet on. eg. "Will Conan lead an extravagent musical number at the Emmys?"

I cannot fathom what could be fun about that.

relaxing 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Fun to lose to insiders on the production team?

iso1631 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't know why you'd ever put money into something like that. Anyone working on the show will know the answer

KeplerBoy 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Kinda legal insider trading, I guess.

Waterluvian 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean, what's fun about my specific example? Guaranteed money.

croon 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

By that definition all terrible aspects of the concept are the same as the fun.

relaxing 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Conan hosted the Oscars.