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jimbo808 4 hours ago

Maybe I'm insane or it's my age, but I can't watch new movies/shows without just seeing propaganda agendas at every turn. Really kills it for me.

dredmorbius 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

To be fair, there's plenty of that in older films and TV series as well, particularly "golden age" material from the 1940s -- 1970s, which played strongly off WWII, Cold War, and pro-business themes, with occasional ventures into counterculture works for the latter.

The original Top Gun (1986) was describe at the time as the US Navy's most successful recruiting campaign ever, noted in this 2004 account citing 1990 correspondence with then Secretary of Defence Dick Cheney: <https://archive.org/details/operationhollywo00robb/page/180>. Similarly endless war, cowboy, biblical, and rom-com films of that period.

msabalau an hour ago | parent | next [-]

That's certainly why the Navy supported Top Gun.

At the same time, you certainly could reasonably read the film as being very dubious about the military. It opens with the psychological collapse of Maverick's wingman when a MiG locks on to him, Cruise's character has to defy orders to save him, and gets chewed out for doing so.

Maverick's original motivation is clearing his father name, not patriotism. Goose dies in a pointless accident. The final dogfight is random "rescue mission" against an unnamed foe in "hostile waters" in the Indian ocean, and Cruise's character almost abandons the fight due to PTSD.

Yeah, the almost pornographic love the camera shows to the jets probably made the actual story all be irrelevant to the Navy's recruiting success. But it's easy to imagine all the whining from the Fox news personality cosplaying as Secretary of "War" about such a film if it were made today.

Cheney was sensible enough to take the win.

whartung an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> The original Top Gun (1986) was describe at the time as the US Navy's most successful recruiting campaign ever, noted in this 2004 account citing 1990 correspondence with then Secretary of Defence Dick Cheney: <https://archive.org/details/operationhollywo00robb/page/180>.

Sure, but was that the intent of Tony Scott when he made the film, or was it just a side effect of watching exciting air wing navy operations portrayed on the big screen?

I can easily see a young man wanting to be not just a fighter pilot, but one of those guys on deck standing in the wind, dancing and pointing and saluting F-14s off the catapult.

Or, maybe they just like volleyball.

m-hodges 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Should art not of a point of view?

radiator 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That is the whole point. Since decades, it has a single point of view, failing to represent the majority of the people.

padjo 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I think you need to get out more if you really believe all movies have the one point of view

manphone an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

And what point of view does all art have now?

gzread 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Some is reasonable and then some is obviously just what rich people want you to think. Like America paid Hollywood a lot to always show the US armies being macho and always on the right side of wars.

ludicrousdispla 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Should a sentence have a verb?

christophilus an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Not all sentences.

m-hodges 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You caught my typo. Gold medal.

dmitrygr 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Should art not of a point of view?

It can, sure. However, I will not pay to be lectured to on topics I have no interest getting lectured on. I'll keep my money, they can keep the sermon. Let's see who has more to gain from listening to the other. If they want my money, what I want to hear/see matters a whole lot more than what they want to preach to me.

They simply forgot the golden rule: he who has the gold -- makes the rules. Let them rediscover it.

zimpenfish 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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x3n0ph3n3 4 hours ago | parent [-]

You can see it in Tyler Sheridan's tv shows as well. It's not just "the message."