discuss != battle

Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.

Yeah and it’s not our fault every Elon discussion involves politics. It’s literally all he does all day, and all he seems interested in, anymore.

That's excellent modbait, but of course what you say is the opposite of what we approve.

It's is a complex and hard question, but the principles we apply to it have been around for a long time and are consistent with the site guidelines. If they weren't, we'd change the latter.

I've explained all of this many times. If you, or anyone, would like to know how we approach the question, you could start here:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

Yup, since around 2016 HN and other tech spaces got infested with people who cannot separate their political ideology from technical discussions.

When it comes to FOSS they claim that FOSS has always been political to justify the politicization of everything they touch.

Things used to be much better when the people adhered to the age-old wisdom "Keep politics and religion out of the office" and carried this attitude to neutral spaces online.

In part, some of us got into tech because it was one of the places where meritocracy ruled and you could get away from those who thrive by overwhelming others with BS.

I apologize for the rant.

As an US Citizen, you have to pay me to engage with Elon Musk's businesses. He is not a good person and does not deserve respect or admiration.

I don't think he's a genius but if he is, it'd still be underneath my standards.

I can think of lots of significant people I wouldn't work for..

Get down to A&E quick, you've clearly drunk a potentially fatal amount of Elon KoolAid. Musk is a buffoon. Clever? yes by all accounts, genius? Hardly. He's had luck, made good judgments mostly offsetting the bad ones. Most of all he has enough money to power through errors that would bankrupt thee & me.

Evidently not genius enough to not have his car business and global image fail. Genius he might be, but he's only entrenching his position in a way not dissimilar to cults: by alienating a lot of people you can get loyalty from a selected few. If that's the kind of power he wants, sure, he's a genius. But a good businessman is something else.

Let's assume that you are correct. How is that relevant to how good he is as an employer? There are lots of people in history who were very significant and perhaps geniuses in some way that I wouldn't want to work for in a billion years.

lmao

You're hilarious.

Is it?

Elon's persona caused massive drops in usage of twitter, sales of Tesla, etc.

Unsurprisingly many would not touch grok for the same distrust.

This is not a fully formed thought, so take it with a grain of salt:

Keeping politics off of here is a good idea.

Some things aren't really politics, but morals. Like, a discussion of different tax schemes or how much environmental regulations accomplish what they set out to do or something is 'politics'. Lamenting that there is "no homeland for white people" is... something else.

It's probably still not likely to have good outcomes as a subject of discussion here, but it's also something the tech industry needs to wrestle with somewhere, somehow.

My experience of the tech world was that it went from being a collection of oddballs, geeks, nerds and maybe kind of naive politically to mainstreaming some really evil shit.

I think this will come back to bite the industry, and depending on how angry the people with pitchforks and torches are, could end up hurting more than just the bad actors.

What does our system say about itself when people of integrity so rarely rise to the top?

None of these guys literally has the blood of millions of people on their hands.

Elon’s gutting of USAID (and you can argue they would have done it anyways but he chose to be the executioner) will kill millions of people every year who otherwise would not have died.

Not only will I never give him a dime, I want him prosecuted and deported.

Edit: For those downvoting, we're already at an estimated 600k deaths: https://www.impactcounter.com/dashboard?view=table&sort=inte...

He's very hard to like, and he's hard to trust with anything.

Moral grandstanding on the account of his political views and the fact that he does Nazi salutes on stage, on TV, for the world to see… might have something to do with it.

Because Elon is a criminal scam artist and a horrifying racist who seems to be completely detached from reality.

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Ironically, he's the sunk cost.

You've been a good HN user for many years, but lately your comment history has swerved towards ideological battle generally, and unsubstantive flamebait like this post. Can you please swerve back? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: before someone pounces, no, I'm in no way defending either E. Just trying to hold up HN.

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