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Herring 18 hours ago

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natch 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

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throwaway5752 17 hours ago | parent [-]

Musk

* gave a Nazi Sigg Heil salute (twice) at a political even, on video. Famously.

* has consistently supported a German political party that re-uses Nazi slogans, minimizes or outright denies the Holocaust, minimizes the criminality of the SS

* frequently and consistently upvotes posts on X echoing white supremacist and Nazi ideology on his social media site

* owns the most popular site for neo-Nazis

To say "is not backed up by any kind of connection to reality" is actually verifiably false. I can't say anything about the other words, but there is evidence for miles that he is sympathetic to Nazi ideology.

And this is directly relevant here. It can't be ignored when you are talking about his business, or you have an elephant in the room. His personal flaws and meglomaniacal executive style are a package deal.

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natch 16 hours ago | parent [-]

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	▲	BoredPositron 15 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.
	▲	hermanzegerman 16 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Okay, so what you're saying is that you don't have an argument to back up your opinion and just ignore the other arguments because they could endanger your opinion
	▲	throwaway5752 16 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		They aren't specious, though. There's ample public record evidence. You can't rebut them because they are part of the historical record. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joV-9FFoA3Q is the "Sigg Heil" video. Anyone can see with their own eyes. https://www.npr.org/2025/01/27/nx-s1-5276084/elon-musk-germa... is where Musk says, "Frankly too much of a focus on past guilt and we need to move beyond that. Children should not be guilty of the sins of their parents, let alone their parents, their great-grandparents." - referring the Holocaust, just 80 years ago, in which 13 million people were systematically rounded up, placed in concentration campls, and mass murdered by the government, including 6 million Jewish people. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/16/elon-musk... "You have said the actual truth" Regarding Twitter / X, after he took over: According to data provided by the research company Memetica to The New York Times, in the past month, Elon Musk's platform featured 46,000 posts with the hashtag #HitlerWasRight, compared to an average of less than 5,000 posts per month in previous months (an increase of 820%). Posts with the hashtags #DeathtotheJews or #DeathtoJews appeared 51,000 times in the last month, marking a surge of 2,450%. This is the guy claiming to try to make a trustworthy foundational model. There are deeper reasons for Grok's market share problems than the founding team or coding capability. You can't talk about this event and ignore it. He's trying to take Space X public and it's only going to get worse. His personal brand is dragging down his companies, as far as I can tell Tesla has lost 25-50% of their EV market share in Europe in the past 2 years? The problem is not just BYD. This ignores his publicly acknowledged drug use that has led to tension with his boards of directors https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e...

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BigTTYGothGF 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It might be a nazi bar, but it's a high-class fancy kind of nazi bar like you'd find on the Hindenburg, and that's more important.

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Herring 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Jesus...

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slater 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Does that mean we get to throw the Nazis out the Hindenburg's window, cos they lack tickets?

	▲	BigTTYGothGF 16 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Dr.Jones (either one) is too uncouth to be allowed in here.

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BoredPositron 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He is not wrong here dang and you are keen to scold one side of the bar more than the other in the last few months. This thread is a good example there wasn't even anything in the comments and it got a sticky real quick.

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natch 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Not true in general on HN about one side only; it happens to all sides imho. But if you wanted to measure, you would have to normalize by the total number of occurrences on each side, and there is a lot of passive aggressive wording so the measurement would be easy to do badly.

To the extent that discussion of discussion is considered boring, perhaps this will get shut down too, but I think it was important to counter your claim.

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ThrowawayTestr 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I come to HN because I don't want to read reddit-tier comments like the above.

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BoredPositron 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

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throwaway5752 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The grandparent comment is from someone that has been on this site almost since the beginning. Far longer than you. They might have insights about the community that you do not.

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ThrowawayTestr 13 hours ago | parent [-]

That's even worse, they should know better

	▲	johnnyanmac 13 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Integrity means understanding when your community if falling into the snares of its own rules. What's the point of formal, nuanced discussion if it's used to empower hate?

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johnnyanmac 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm not using surprised by the moderation direction here (formality above all). But stubs tend to be rare and I've never seen a stub develop over 2 top level comments. Even the most blatantly political posts don't get such treatment (or it takes a long time do so).

I'm sure it's common for dead flagged posts, but it seems this story was too significant to pull over that smoke screen this time.

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johnnyanmac 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

We're sadly well past friends of friends of friends coming in. At some point the only thing you can do as a non-bartender is to simply leave and never come back.

I don't want to say we're at that point just yet. But it's something that's been gnawing at me for a while now. I've certainly been disillusioned of this being a progressive tech hub interested in bettering humanity.

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natch 18 hours ago | parent [-]

Bettering humanity is a pretty good two word summary of what should be the meaning of life and everyone’s goal. Please don’t disengage.

	▲	johnnyanmac 13 hours ago \| parent [-]
		>Please don’t disengage. No worries. I was more referring to this community rather than this society. There are plenty of other "bars" on the internet to choose from.