| ▲ | enopod_ 5 hours ago |
| Can it run Linux? |
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| ▲ | alwillis 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Yes; macOS has native container support for Linux [1]. [1]: https://github.com/apple/container |
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| ▲ | jagged-chisel 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In a VM, definitely. Just like other Macs. |
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| ▲ | stuxnet79 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | If the A18 Pro has the same ISA as the M-series chips then this may not be so straightforward. I am still hanging on to my 2020 Intel MBP for dear life because it is the only Apple device I own that allows me to run Ubuntu and Windows 11 on a VirtualBox VM. | | |
| ▲ | garblegarble 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Would you elaborate what you mean by saying Linux on an M-series chip isn't straightforward? That's not been my experience, I (and lots of other devs) use it every day, Apple supports Linux via [0], and provides the ability to use Rosetta 2 within VMs to run legacy x86 binaries? 0: https://github.com/apple/container | | |
| ▲ | stuxnet79 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Clearly I'm not as knowledgable about this as I thought I was. I already have a Ubuntu x86 VM running on an Intel Mac (inside VirtualBox). Same with Windows 11. Can this tool allow me to run both VMs in an Apple Silicon device in a performant way? Last I checked VirtualBox on Apple Silicon only permits the running of ARM64 guests. While I have a preference for VirtualBox I'd say I'm hypervisor agnostic. Really any way I can get this to work would be super intriguing to me. | | |
| ▲ | js2 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Can this tool allow me to run both VMs in an Apple Silicon device in a performant way? I use VMWare Fusion on an M1 Air to run ARM Windows. Windows is then able to run Windows x86-64 executables I believe through it's own Rosetta 2 like implementation. The main limitation is that you cannot use x86-64 drivers. Similarly, ARM Linux VMs can use Rosetta 2 to run x86-64 binaries with excellent performance. For that I mostly use Rancher or podman which setup the Linux VM automatically and then use it to run Linux ARM containers. I don't recall if I've tried to run x86-64 Linux binaries inside an Linux ARM container. It might be a little trickier to get Rosetta 2 to work. It's been a long time since I tried to run a Linux x86-64 container. | | |
| ▲ | MBCook 28 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Possible catch: Rosetta 2 goes away next year in macOS 27. I don’t know what the story for VMs is. I’d really like to know as it affects me. Sure you can go QEMU, but there’s a real performance hit there. |
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| ▲ | alwillis 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Last I checked VirtualBox on Apple Silicon only permits the running of ARM64 guests. I used to use VirtualBox a lot back in the day. I tried it recently on my Mac; it's become pretty bloated over the years. On the other hand, this GUI for Quem is pretty nice [1]. [1]: https://mac.getutm.app | |
| ▲ | argsnd 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Run ARM64 Linux and install Rosetta inside it. Even on the MacBook Neo it'll be faster than your 2020 Intel Mac. | |
| ▲ | fragmede 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Pay Parallels for their GPU acceleration that makes Arm windows on apple silicon usable. |
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| ▲ | ChocolateGod 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The instruction set is not the issue, the issue is on ARM there's no standardized way like on x86 to talk to specialized hardware, so drivers must be reimplemented with very little documentation. | |
| ▲ | Retr0id 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | As long as you're ok with arm64 guests, you can absolutely run both Ubuntu and Win11 VMs on M-series CPUs. Parallels also supports x86 guests via emulation. | | |
| ▲ | alwillis 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > As long as you're ok with arm64 guests I've run amd64 guests on M-series CPUs using Quem. Apple's Rosetta 2 is still a thing [1] for now. [1]: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102527 [2]: https://mac.getutm.app | |
| ▲ | stuxnet79 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | How is the performance when emulating the x86 architecture via parallels? Also is it possible to convert an existing x86 VM to arm64 or do I just have to rebuild all of my software from scratch? I always had the perception that the arm64 versions of Windows & Ubuntu have inferior support both in terms of userland software and device drivers. |
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| ▲ | muricula 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Same Armv8 ISA. And it's the same ISA Android Linux has run on for over a decade. |
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| ▲ | bram98 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In a vm, I don't see why not. |
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| ▲ | jayknight 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Just run WSL inside of Windows. |
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| ▲ | Retr0id 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Likely yes, eventually |
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| ▲ | hu3 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Native, no. That would cannibalise Apple services which is a huge source of revenue for them. |
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| ▲ | dymk 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Nobody is moving to Linux because there’s an iCloud replacement waiting for them over there… | |
| ▲ | Retr0id 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Have you confirmed this? I haven't seen anyone concretely describe the boot policy of the Neo yet (it should be an easy enough check for anyone who has one in-hand). | | |
| ▲ | alwillis 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Like any other Apple Silicon Mac, you can't currently boot into Linux but Apple has native container support that Linux works on [1]. [1]: https://github.com/apple/container | | |
| ▲ | Retr0id 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm writing this from Linux running natively (not virtualized) on an Apple Silicon mac (M1 Pro) | | |
| ▲ | alwillis 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm aware of that option, but that's not something the average user is going to do. But knock yourself out if you want to try it. | | |
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