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bootsmann 3 hours ago

Noone could’ve seen this coming, how were they supposed to know that the strait of hormuz is so important!

yxhuvud 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm actually somewhat surprised Iran is openly telling us they are using underwater drones for this. That piece of technological advance has gone mostly under the radar (!) so far.

chinathrow 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> That piece of technological advance has gone mostly under the radar (!) so far

The Ukraine would like to have a word.

technothrasher 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

FYI, "The Ukraine" is politically charged wording held over from Soviet times, and implies that it is part of Russia. The independent country is known simply as "Ukraine".

comrade1234 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There are plenty of languages with gendered country names. Ukraine is die Ukraine (feminine gender) in German and the article is necessary since changing the article changes the meaning of what you're expressing. Whenever I see/hear "the Ukraine" I assume English is their second language.

cloche 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How do you explain "back in the USSR"?

noumenon1111 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You don't know how lucky you are, boy...

SideburnsOfDoom 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For the same reason as "The UK" or "The USA" - all of them are acronyms starting "The Union of ..." or "The United ...".

Similarly you say "The commonwealth of Massachusetts" but not "The Massachusetts".

This does not apply to Ukraine, unless you want to say "The Republic of Ukraine".

jjgreen 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

... or "Born in the USA"

yxhuvud 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The drones that are mainly used there are the flying kind.

trynumber9 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"Mainly" but they've been assaulting Russian boats and ships with USVs and submersibles.

For example - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Baby#Sub_Sea_Baby

cyberax 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ukraine completely locked up the Russian fleet inside its bases with the underwater drones.

simonw 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Underwater drones, not drones in general.

bootsmann 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Ukraine has been sinking Russian warships in their harbor using underwater drones for at least a year now.

bootsmann 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s Ukraine, no “the”.

comrade1234 3 hours ago | parent [-]

In many languages the article is necessary. I assume English is their second language.

bootsmann 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes but as one of the other commenters pointed out, its a charged term when it comes to Ukraine so its worth mentioning to people that use it accidentally.

RobotToaster 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What defense is there against something like this? AFAIK only a few US aircraft carriers are equipped with anti torpedo torpedoes, and one of those sitting in the straight would be pretty vulnerable.

Of course that could be the entire idea.

SideburnsOfDoom an hour ago | parent [-]

The calculation is that of course there are defences, but if you have a big stockpile of $20K drones, and your opponent has a limited number of $2mil drone interceptors, then you can keep throwing drones and keeping your opponent busy there, and you're coming out ahead even before one finally gets through.

See: https://bsky.app/profile/mekka.mekka-tech.com/post/3mgrvx5gr...

wing-_-nuts 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is very much a 'you break it, you buy it' situation. The US should be running destroyer screens for convoys a la WW2 today, yet AFAIK the US fleet is sitting hundreds of miles out of the Persian Gulf, within bombing range, outside of easy strike range.

ARandomerDude 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The navigable part of the Strait of Hormuz is only 15-ish miles wide, maybe less. There is no way the US can convoy screen anything without significant loss in sailors and ships.

The WW2 convoy situation was far easier to escort (but still quite dangerous obviously) because:

1. The Atlantic is a much bigger place, even considering common routes and chokepoints.

2. U-Boats had to surface frequently, making them extremely vulnerable to Allied air cover.

3. U-Boats had to be within visual range to strike convoys, versus the drone and missile world we live in now.

jmward01 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes. I think the biggest issues though are:

- We likely don't have the assets to move the amount traffic that needs to get through

- We probably can't protect them perfectly (we don't have maritime supremacy) so ships will still take damage and that will stop the convoys pretty quickly

I suspect the escort ships would be fine though. They can defend themselves.

So if we did start them, they wouldn't continue for long until the economic pain was pretty massive and the cost of loosing ships was worth it.

1-more an hour ago | parent [-]

> I suspect the escort ships would be fine though. They can defend themselves.

From underwater drones? Does that technology exist?

pbiggar 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The US shouldnt be starting wars with countries, and bombing civilians, at all.

noumenon1111 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

Captain Obvious? Is that you??

mothballed 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It would be cheaper just to build an oil pipeline around it than to cover insurance and risk through that Strait. It would do well to just forget the Strait exists, our conflict has taken it out of commission for the indefinite future.

wing-_-nuts 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Cheaper but less resilient to attacks. Pipelines are fixed infra, and are imminently targetible by even the smallest drones. One successful attack and your entire pipeline is down.

Probably a 'why not both' question though. If the US could quick deploy enough pipelines to support the entire d-day offensive back during ww2 I don't see why we couldn't do so today

lenkite 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Good idea, but pipeline would need to be 100m underground

lm28469 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Let's replace a choke point by an even smaller single static point of failure transporting highly flammable content, are you an adviser for the white house? If not you should apply

mothballed 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You might be surprised to find out the Abu Dhabi pipeline, which does this exact thing, is still running.

lm28469 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> The US should be running destroyer screens for convoys a la WW2 today,

That's harder than bombing schools, goat herders or kidnapping the leader of the most corrupt country in the world, are you sure they can still pull it off, I'm starting to think even they know they cannot anymore.

After seeing the latest white house CoD style propaganda videos and Pete "Kafir" Hegseth speeches it's clear the people in charge completely lost it

> In After the Empire, written in 2001, Todd claimed that the reason for America’s “theatrical micromilitarism” was to prove that it was still an indispensable power in a post-USSR world. In his latest work, however, he revises this thesis, arguing that it would imply attributing rational intentions to Washington.13 The American liberal oligarchy is not driven by any clear project.

https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2024/11/how-the-west-was-...

wing-_-nuts 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Lol how did I know someone was gonna link Emmanuel Todd? Too bad more of his work isn't translated to english.

altmanaltman 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They forgot to add "check all angles (including the OBVIOUS ones!)" in the AI prompt.

RobRivera 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I see what you did there