| ▲ | Aurornis 3 hours ago |
| The scariest part of this story isn’t that they’re doing LPR at drop-off, it’s that they’re claiming to have knowledge of where the car is parked overnight. > her daughter’s new student enrollment form was denied due to “license plate recognition software showing only Chicago addresses overnight” in July and August. In an email sent to Sánchez in August, the school district told her, “Although you are the owner on record of a house in our district boundaries, your license plate recognition shows that is not the place where you reside.” The person in the story claims to have lent the car to some family members at that time. That appears to confirm that the car was really parked somewhere else at night. But how does this LPR company have that information? |
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| ▲ | dghlsakjg 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| The craziest part of this is that a school district thinks that the overnight location of the vehicle used to transport a student has anything to do with the location of the residence. Especially when that data is from a time period when the school isn't in session. I can think of a half dozen valid scenarios why the vehicle used for school drop off is parked away from the student's residence at night. e.g. Vehicle belongs to a non-custodial parent from out of district who handles drop off. Vehicle is used by a household member to do overnight shift work. Family just moved, of course their vehicle wasn't being parked in the district in July. ALPR character recognition error. Parent and student live elsewhere in the summer, and still qualify as residents within the district. It sometimes boggles the mind the amount of inflexibility that people doing these jobs have/are willing to use, especially in something so consequential. |
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| ▲ | runjake an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's covered in the article. The school district has a contract with Thompson Reuters Clear. And here's more general information on that service: https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/blog/leveraging-license-pla... Key bit: "With LPR intelligence tools such as Thomson Reuters license plate recognition, corporate crime professionals have the ability to share and request the sharing of commercial LPR data with other corporations." Eg. Flock and Vigilant Solutions. https://losgatan.com/class-action-suit-against-flock-license... https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20260227692233/en/Flo... |
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| ▲ | goatlover an hour ago | parent [-] | | Shouldn't be information the school district has a right to access. It's none of their business where a person's car is parked over night. I really hope society pushes back on surveillance. |
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| ▲ | throwawaytea 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There are companies that scan every parked car visible in any public accessible spot. |
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| ▲ | kotaKat 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Fun fact: Motorola Solutions sells LPRs not only to law enforcement (via Vigilant Solutions), they also sell them via the "Digital Recognition Network" arm to third party companies - tow operators, private operations, and so on. Some of the largest customers of DRN are banks, especially sub-prime lenders :) https://drndata.com/about/ https://drndata.com/news/motorola-solutions-acquires-vaas-in... And all of them... feed right into the greater LEARN (Law Enforcement Archival Reporting Network) system that the feds and company have access to at all times. | | |
| ▲ | Zigurd 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | This isn't the Motorola that makes phones. Lenovo owns Motorola Mobility. But America kept the highly profitable business of building a surveillance state. Yay. |
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| ▲ | ProllyInfamous 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | e.g. at BigBox Mart towtrucks will traverse the parking lanes, with ALPR cameras quickly detecting repos to snatch. My car is paid for but I just don't display a license plate period (in my US state it's only a $10 fine to not). | | |
| ▲ | AdamN an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | $10?? I thought it was a major crime to drive without a license plate. | | |
| ▲ | ProllyInfamous an hour ago | parent [-] | | Welcome to Tennessee (it shouldn't matter, but it does: clean-cut taxpaying middle-aged white guy, with former background in govt data centers [1] ). If I had any detectible minority status, I would display a plate properly. More onlookers (from behind) snap photos of this taglessness than any other politics/offensive bumper sticker I've had [2] — my only thought is that my vehicle misleads them to think that perhaps I'm undercover I.C.E. (purposefully obscurring)..? [1] I've woken up blackout in a comped hotel when friends in identical situation got arrested/PI; I still carry a long-expired govt work badge in my moneyclip [2] 2nd-most popular, all-time, was "Patron Saint of Denials Luigi Mangione" image | | |
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| ▲ | xxpor 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >My car is paid for but I just don't display a license plate period Which of course draws a bunch attention to you regardless. | | |
| ▲ | tbyehl 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | It really doesn't, there are lawful reasons to not have a plate yet. | |
| ▲ | ProllyInfamous an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's not about hiding — it's about sending a message. IIRC, Steve Jobs was known to do this in his black plateless Mercedes (decades ago). | | |
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| ▲ | maratc 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There's an XKCD on licence plates (https://xkcd.com/1105/) which is probably relevant to your case, too. | | |
| ▲ | ProllyInfamous an hour ago | parent [-] | | I have a printout of #1105 in my glovebox, specifically because my license plate is similarly-ridiculous (and "unscannable" but a legally-issued specialty plate). On the reverse is a copy of my state's law on "proper display of registration identifier," but not to discuss with a cop (for him to find in event of being an asshole, searching my vehicle). My vehicle blends in and is otherwise-legal — non-compliance encourages me to obey most traffic laws — but I do carry the plate in my passenger seat to display in event of pull-over (my plate is some iteration of "no plate," and I do respect individual officers' safeties [1]). [1] They have every right to know, when performing a lawful investigation. My plan would be to hold it up while initially stopped (to show intent of identification, my plate is complicated in many ways and must be searched for in a very odd way). | | |
| ▲ | mmmlinux 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I think its funny you think youve come up with some unscannable license plate. | | |
| ▲ | ProllyInfamous 6 minutes ago | parent [-] | | My state does not allow certain confusing characters, but I'm part of an organization which issues plates in specific violation of aforementioned character restrictions (as an added bonus the plate/organization is emblazzened with `EMERGENCY` across the bottom). ALPR camerae mis-read the plate, having applied state interpretation rules — no human has ever read it correctly, either [0]. But of course since you cannot even see it anymore it is definitely unscannable. I can drive by speed camera without issue (i.e. no citations received). [0] I have only been pulled over once in the past decade (back when plate displayed normally), after traveling behind a cop for miles going 100mph+ through Dade County mountains. Cop: "I have no clue what agency you're with — you're plate didn't scan — but you need to slow the fuck down. You're lucky I have somewhere else to be!" |
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| ▲ | project2501a 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | can you put some kind of filter the screws the cameras up? | | |
| ▲ | ProllyInfamous an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | These lens "blockers" are working less-and-less well (as tech gets better if they ever worked well at all), and seem to increase targeting from law enforcement. In Tennessee, after the first two citations for "improper display of registration" it becomes an actual crime (an actual misdemeanor); if I ever get to this point (four months now multiple cops behind me haven't given a single F), I have an increasingly-insane series of "protests" that have semi-interesting legalities [0]. [0] e.g. transfer registration to brother ($10 gift fee every few months, which results in no tag requirement); small 3ft trailer (possibly with guillotine erected atop, blocking view), as TN does not issue license plates to trailers less than 15ft length ---- This isn't about "disappearing" (impossible in any modern civilization) — it's about sending a message and adding one small additional layer of protection from simple broad ALPR searches. | |
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| ▲ | mmmlinux 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The real question is why do they only sell information to services designed to cause harm. | | |
| ▲ | throwawaytea 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Returning a vehicle to a bank that someone has stopped paying for isn't exactly harm. If banks were unable to get vehicles back, people with bad credit would have a much harder time getting a vehicle in the first place. | | |
| ▲ | ProllyInfamous 31 minutes ago | parent [-] | | >much harder time getting a vehicle in the first place. This is a good thing; add "houses" to the list, too. Credit is too freely issued — we live on debt (as a society/world). I've seen people throw their $20k in negative equity into a new purchase/lease — and just been baffled. --but I agree: lenders oughta'be able to retrieve their lien'ed properties. |
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| ▲ | mmmlinux 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There are A LOT of throwaways talking about repossessing cars in this comment. that's a little weird. Guess I struck a nerve at some company. | |
| ▲ | quickthrowman 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Repossessing collateral on a secured loan is not a service designed to cause harm. | |
| ▲ | idle_zealot 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Who else would buy it? What use exists for this data that isn't harmful to society? | | |
| ▲ | browsingonly 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Repossessing cars isn't societally harmful, quite the opposite in fact. | |
| ▲ | throwaway27448 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Discouraging people from using cars at all? | |
| ▲ | kube-system 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Finding missing people? Finding criminals? | | |
| ▲ | throwawaytea 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | People not returning vehicles to the banks, or commiting fraud by taking up resources in districts they don't live in are technically criminals. | | | |
| ▲ | razingeden 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | “Find me the missing person, and I’ll find the crime.” — Lavrentiy Beria (Probably) |
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| ▲ | 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [deleted] | |
| ▲ | bregma 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Catching the pedophiles. Think of the children. | | |
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| ▲ | HexPhantom 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The scary part isn't a single camera, it's the aggregation |
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| ▲ | overfeed an hour ago | parent [-] | | I've often thought to spook legislators by crowd-sourcing this and scaling it. Any member if of the public can upload dashcam footage, and can search any number plate captured by the network: including legislators, town councilors and school board members. Access is gated by uploading dashcam and having it corroborated by other footage to avoid faked footage, e.g. cross-checking license plates in the same area. My concerns are the decision makers may rake the wrong lesson from this, my own moral injury, and/or legal exposure when this information is inevitably used to harm someone. Also, Law enforcement would happily co-opt this service. Perhaps making the searches themselves public would alleviate same of the challenges. |
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| ▲ | john_strinlai 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| more concerning than overnight, in my opinion, is monitoring it in summer months when school is presumably out and keeping a record of it for who knows how long. |