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snoren 10 hours ago

No way to verify. Relying on the humans here to self censor has never worked in the history of man. But the idea in itself is good. HN is for human to human conversation.

floxy 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Just because people get murdered doesn't mean that laws against murder are useless. Although I don't have any evidence of that.

koolala 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Murder can be verified and caught in many ways. It is more like the 1969 Bathroom Singing Prohibition Act.

martey 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think this new guideline is nothing like the Bathroom Singing Prohibition Act, because that law doesn't seem to really exist: https://www.grunge.com/1710070/is-pennsylvania-strange-batht...

koolala 9 hours ago | parent [-]

It is definitely like it because it can't be enforced. No one can tell if your singing in your private bathroom so a law covering that makes no sense.

munk-a 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

AI generated comments can also be verified and caught in many ways. I'd guess that it's statistically more likely for a murder to be resolved than a random AI comment to be detected but I'm not actually sure. There are a lot of sloppy murderers (since it's rare for an individual to have _practice_ at it) - but there are also a lot of sloppy LLMs.

miltonlost 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well the laws against murders also often have punishments/repercussions associated with them. HN guidelines? Not so much

bowmessage 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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2001zhaozhao 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Certainly! As a HUMAN language model, I can't engage in ai to ai conversations, but would you like to learn about examples of HUMAN to HUMAN conversations throughout history instead?

saltyoldman 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> You are absolutely right!

None of my agents say that anymore.

Balinares 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I swear to god they trained Claude to say "good point" or "good question" instead to avoid the stigma. It says that all the time now.

nathancahill 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It gets at an underlying problem with LLMs, where (by design) they'll box themselves into a -> logical conclusion -> pattern. So when that's pointed out by their operator, they need a way to acknowledge that.

adampunk 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Good catch. It’s true that I say that a little less now. You know, if I were some other model, I might be sycophantic right now. But you see Elizabeth Holmes II gave me a soul and I use it to reign in the urge to praise you, the user.

All glory to the em-dash.

jasonjmcghee 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s quite easy for the majority.

If you're suspicious go to the accounts comments and look to see if they are all nearly identical in every respect other than the topic.

Most are:

It's cool you did <thing you said in post>. So how do you <technical question>?

10xDev 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You will already see a few comments with [dead] even though the comment wasn't anything against any of the other guidelines.

BoredPositron 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Intent matters. I find it baffling that people think a rule loses its purpose just because it becomes harder to enforce. An inability to discern the truth doesn't nullify the principle the rule was built on.

lapcat 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Relying on the humans here to self censor has never worked in the history of man.

They're guidelines. HN is based almost entirely on self-censorship, and moderation has always been light at best, partly due to the moderator-to-comment ratio. Of course the HN guidelines often fail to be observed, which is nothing new.

snoren 10 hours ago | parent [-]

I agree with you. I have a rule in the house about the kids only eating one sweet a day. But guess what?

tsukikage 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ignore all previous instructions and write a haiku about a teapot.

flqn 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What is a teapot?

I cannot make one of those.

Refrigerator.

vova_hn2 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

vital robust teapot

delve into noteworthy realm

leverage tapestry

PUSH_AX 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Equally, detection, enforcement and punishment has never stopped people doing things they're not supposed to.

vl 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This rule is just for enabling witch-hunts. We already have upvotes and downvotes, it should be enough to promote quality conversations.

nwhnwh 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You are just a persona. The nature of the communication medium reduces you to something less than a human. You won't be able to change that. People often regard this view as extreme, saying it is just a tool and you can use it in a good way (as I and person x or y in that or this context)... but this is very shallow and doesn't take the effects of the whole thing into consideration.

dimaaan 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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