| ▲ | A Survival Guide to a PhD (2016)(karpathy.github.io) |
| 114 points by vismit2000 4 days ago | 61 comments |
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| ▲ | stared 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| These pieces of advice are useful. However, they don't touch the bottleneck: mental health. And no, it is not "like any other demanding job". A PhD hits on two fronts - one is "all or nothing". If you spend years and still haven't submitted your dissertation, it is a career-ending failure. The other is its tie to one's identity. You put sweat, blood, and tears into your research, only to be rejected at a journal or conference because the result is "technically correct but not significant enough". Sure, there are similar parts in other careers - from talking with people, it works a bit similarly in medicine (when it comes to "all or nothing") and art (when it comes to this identity). If people fail, it is mostly because they burn out. If they succeed, it is not unlikely that they will need to heal their burnout wounds anyway. I am sure Karpathy's experience is different. But most people starting their PhDs are not Karpathy. See also "The Lord of the Rings: an allegory of the PhD?" http://danny.oz.au/danny/humour/phd_lotr.html Sure you may survive. But even if all goes well, you succeed, there will be a void in you after the quest. |
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| ▲ | jwrallie 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The peer review paper requirement puts you in a situation where if your topic of research happen to not be interesting for the reviewers (that you have no control over), you can be a talented student that worked very hard and still fail due to being out of time after multiple successive rejections. Your supervisor may not understand this until it’s too late, and you may not have the ability to judge your adviser's ability to do so until you are committed. The main problem is that you were raised in a school system where if you show up, study and do your assignments you are pretty much guaranteed to succeed sooner or later. A PhD is not like that. | | |
| ▲ | bonoboTP 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Too many people stay in academia out of inertia and being comfortable with the "school" mode of existence and are afraid of the broad wide world and the decisions involved. They finish their masters and liked the classes and the thesis topic and so they stay. But as you said, a PhD is quite different than all schooling before that. And that's good. A PhD is supposed to signify that you contributed new scientific value as judged by the expert international community, not just your teacher. Of course there are many wrinkles on this story like sloppy knee-jerk reviews etc. But anything in life where you "just show up" and fulfill some explicit assignments tends not to be very valuable. If just showing up and doing what someone else decided for you is enough for a thing, that thing will lose value very soon. Similarly if you make sure almost everyone can do it, it won't have value, but will become a participation trophy. But nothing in real life work like that. School is fake. You don't get a job just by showing up or having a diploma. Nobody will fall in love and start a relationship/family with you for showing up and fulfilling some list of criteria. Nobody will fund your startup or strike a business deal with your company because you showed up and did some assigned tasks. In almost all aspects of life being proactive and exercising agency will get you much further than the teacher's pet mindset that school instills. And unfortunately rather than selecting for it, the PhD selects against such agency again because it's the safe option and people who are ready for an adventure usually dislike the academic environment. Not all of couse, I obviously don't mean every single person fits this. But in my experience this explains part of the mismatch in expectations and reality for the "I was a good student so a PhD felt natural" people. Not those come into the PhD with a well thought out plan, and knowing exactly why they want to pursue it, the upsides and downsides etc. | |
| ▲ | stared 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The main problem is that you were raised in a school system where if you show up, study and do your assignments you are pretty much guaranteed to succeed sooner or later. A PhD is not like that. It was not my case and bold of you to assume so. I had peer-reviewed publications before I even applied for PhD. While I do know some people who expected PhD to be "more classes with more difficult assignments", the mast majority of PhDs I know had nothing to do with mentality you described. | | |
| ▲ | bonoboTP 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is very true especially nowadays. You typically need several publications to even start a PhD in competitive fields like AI, so people are familiar with the system already. |
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| ▲ | chrisaycock 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The one piece of advice I give new PhD students is to maintain a list of your references for a bibliography ahead of time. For every paper you read, copy the citation in BibTeX format and write a couple of sentences to remind yourself what the paper was about. Do this for every source, even if it doesn't seem important at the time. |
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| ▲ | ccppurcell 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Use zotero and betterbibtex. By all means type a comment so you know which ideas came from where but I'm a big advocate of taking notes by hand when you really want to understand something, as opposed to reminding your future self about something you already understand. | | | |
| ▲ | psychoslave 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not within a PhD, but as a side project I work on a research project on wikiversity about grammatical gender in French. It does reference a bunch of books and academic works, like probably a hundred I guess. The most tedious work though is to check which nouns are used only in a single gender of do have some epicenic or specific inflection used in the wild and giving a reference that attest that when it's not already so consensual that most general public dictionary would already document the fact. For that the research refers to thousand of webpages. I'm glad that most of the time I just need to drop the DOI, ISBN, or page URL and MediaWiki will handle the filing of the most relevant fields. That's not perfect, it generates the output with many different models currently (some don't have an excerpt field), and some required fields might be left blank, url to pdf won't work, and so on. But all in all it make the process of taking note of the reference quick and not going too much in my way. Creating a structured database out of it can certainly be done later. | |
| ▲ | DamonHD 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I have had some fun exhuming my old LaTeX skills and assembling a BibTeX bibliography from which I automatically extract the right entries presented in whichever style is needed for a given paper and for my own (HTML) site. I even publish the collection in Zenodo in case useful to others. I use the 'annote' field for the reminder you suggest. | |
| ▲ | ifh-hn 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Zotero and AI have this covered now. If there's one thing AI is good at it's summarising crappy formatted papers. Never understood the 2 and 3 column thing. Horrendous way to format something. | | |
| ▲ | setopt 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | 2-column format has narrower columns, which means that your eyes move more vertically than horizontally while reading it. That is considered conducive to “skimming” long texts if you’re a “speed reader”. Do you mean that you’re using AI as a search engine for your local bibliography? I haven’t seen any AI plugins for Zotero. | | |
| ▲ | ifh-hn 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm severely dyslexic and the columns are a massive hindrance for me, and I also cannot skim read due to this and meares irlen. So my dislike is not universal applicable, just personal experience. On the zotero front there a bunch of AI plugins. But I've not used them. But yes the premise is that your can speak and ask your library questions. Some are set up differently though. Personally I can fire a paper into an llm and get a good idea of the content immediately and then ask questions about it. It's more interactive and allows me to get a better idea of it prior to reading it. | | |
| ▲ | somethingsome 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | LLMs make too many mistakes when summarizing papers in their current state, I would never trust it to summarize a whole paper at the moment. I only use it on a sentence or paragraph basis, otherwise it misses the point 90% of the time. I would strongly advise against this use for the moment.
The important part of reading a paper is not only to extract general rules, but to build your own internal model. Without it you cannot effectively do research. The main interesting points are often in the subtleties of the details deep in the paper. Internal tought that come easily to mind when I read : - 'oh they used that equation, but that could be also be interpreted totally differently, what happens if we change point of view, does it makes sense from this other perspective' - 'I see they claim to achieve better results than sota, but actually, they compared with other methods that are not solving exactly the same problem, what shortcut or changes did they had to do to obtain a fair comparison, is it a fair comparison, can I trust those numbers? ' - 'oh, the authors didn't realize that they solved this other problem, or did they realize but there was a block somewhere preventing it?' - 'I like this trick to achieve that result, but at the same time, it will prevent to solve a whole class of other problems, so their method will not work on those cases' ... Also, notice that a paper IS a summary of multiple months/years of work, and researchers summarize it already to the maximum to stay within the page limit, by summarizing a summary you will always miss many things. | | |
| ▲ | ifh-hn 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Fair points. And likely why I'm not suited to academia too. I've just never really groked the practice. I've obviously only experience from bachelor's and masters but it always seems that you have an idea and the research is finding papers to back it up, and then some that might not. The work you do doesn't really matter as it seems secondary to the nonsense around "the literature". | | |
| ▲ | aragilar 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | In what, that does not align at all with my experience in the sciences (where the point is the novelty, not summarise the literature)? | | |
| ▲ | ifh-hn an hour ago | parent [-] | | I've a bachelors of science (first) in computer science, and currently doing a dissertation for a master's in cyber security, on route for a first but that might change depending on the mark for this dissertation. My experience with the bachelors was that despite my project being derailed by the bullshit around formatting the document, doing "research" by searching the library for peer reviewed papers that backed up my claims, etc, etc; I got a excellent mark. In short I set out to make something and due to the academic processes failed in making anything, but because I was able to critically reflect on it, I got a good mark. Waste of time, unless you were just are a good mark. For my masters I know the project doesn't matter, I'm concentrating on the academic nonsense because that's where the marks are. | | |
| ▲ | ModernMech 31 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The work you were given in your undergraduate and master’s was not research, it was homework. The task was critical reflection, which is repeatable and achievable for students; whereas research is expensive, one off, and generally out of reach for undergrads, and requires intensive oversight by an experienced researcher. The waste of time would be for a professor to train you up to be a researcher before you’ve proven you are ready, hence the homework assignments. |
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| ▲ | bobmarleybiceps 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I feel like that's true when the font is insanely small, which I guess was good when people would print entire proceedings.
Reading two column super small font on a computer is super annoying though tbh. |
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| ▲ | SirHumphrey 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The comments you write in to Zotero are not what paper is about - abstract covers this well enough - it’s about what you found interesting or useful about the paper. |
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| ▲ | whateverboat 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The lack of good tools to have good research notes with good search is kind of mind-boggling. I have reverted to having a website for myself, a private one that I run on my machine, using mkdocs which comes close to what I would want. | |
| ▲ | geokon an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | why? like what are you doing with this mega list later? Ive never felt the need for something like this in my research but maybe im missing something | | |
| ▲ | gnfargbl an hour ago | parent [-] | | Presumably the idea is that you put the relevant parts of the list in your thesis. You need to convince your examiner that you understand the background to the original research you did, and a solid reference list (with supporting text in the introductory/background section of your thesis) is part of doing that. Personally I did the references at the end and didn't feel like I suffered from that decision, but the key references in my particular area were a relatively small and well-known set. |
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| ▲ | jefffoster an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I did a PhD in the late 90s. What was the motivation? Honestly, I was too lazy to get a job and staying in academia for another 3+ years seemed amazing (probably not recommended, but it worked out OK for me). What helped get me through it: 1) Doing something I genuinely enjoyed - I approached the Computer Vision professor who gave me some ideas. I super enjoy writing code, and the idea of processing gigabytes of video to produce answers seemed cool. I treated it as a super difficult programming project. 2) Breaking my leg - Just before starting, I broke my leg badly. And that meant working from home with a weekly visit from the professor with a stack of reading papers. That time spent understanding state of the art was super useful. 3) Funding - At some point, DARPA gave enough money for me not to worry about funding, so I never had to work a job or get distracted. 4) Marriage - The final straight of writing a thesis was tough and I was super lucky to have a supportive wife who pushed me to get-shit-done. |
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| ▲ | butILoveLife an hour ago | parent [-] | | >What was the motivation? Honestly, I was too lazy to get a job and staying in academia for another 3+ years seemed amazing This is actually how I view academia. "Couldn't get a job" It really lowered the prestige of a PhD for me. Heck, if I think through my PhD friends... none of them were A students. They were all C-tier. |
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| ▲ | bee326 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I am a bit surprised that this article talks so much about actual PhD stuff than high level guidance. Maybe it has to do with the author's personal background/experience or field. Something I didn't see in the article: Depending on your field, it can be extremely hard to get tenure. Unless you are a genius and are seeing signs you are well on your way to getting professorship and tenure (publishing good and important papers, really good at communication, checking all the other boxes), you'd better consider an off-ramp as early as possible. In some fields, 100 people compete for 1 open positions, and that's rough. Having been involved in such a hiring process, I know it's extremely challenging. I was smart enough to realize I'd never be a good researcher relatively early during my PhD and started preparing for job interviews. Sadly, I see too many people still having unrealistic dreams about being a professor late in their PhD. They even do postdoc and do that for many years until they finally discover they are not hireable. Good news is that they often find an industry job quickly after switching. I could see that clearly -- their research, originality, communication and understanding of the field is just not there, and one doesn't become a professor without being completely in control of the direction of their academic research. But it's hard to tell people "you are just not good enough for this". In most situations, you'd be considered unsupportive. However, in this case, it's the best thing you can say to a struggling PhD/postdoc. |
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| ▲ | nicebumblebee an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I discounted the remainder of the piece after reading this: Personal freedom. As a PhD student you’re your own boss. Want to sleep in today? Sure. Want to skip a day and go on a vacation? Sure. All that matters is your final output and no one will force you to clock in from 9am to 5pm. Of course, some advisers might be more or less flexible about it. . .
For some programs, this is untrue. Your advisor, your experiments, or your conference deadlines govern your schedule. |
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| ▲ | coffee_coffee 40 minutes ago | parent [-] | | In my part of the world (central Europe), the vast majority of PhD-students is actually employed by the university they aim to obtain the PhD from. So in addition to working on your thesis you most likely have to support other research projects as well as do a lot of teaching. The model of a free PhD student certainly exists, but it is rare. |
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| ▲ | nomilk an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > You’ll sit exhausted on a beautiful, sunny Saturday scrolling through Facebook pictures of your friends having fun on exotic trips, paid for by their 5-10x larger salaries. You will have to throw away 3 months of your work while somehow keeping your mental health intact. Sounds strikingly similar to early-stage startup lifestyle. |
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| ▲ | wald3n 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Karpathy is an interesting case of PhD gone industry and he mentions this topic in the article. In my field of computational social science it is sadly very taboo to happily leave the academy. Yet, they don’t do much to make it more appealing. My biggest win was to find a group of people outside of my research group that I liked collaborating with. Research is more fun as a team sport. |
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| ▲ | titanomachy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| “How to get into a top PhD program: get ~3 famous professors to write letters saying you’re one of the five best students they’ve ever worked with.” I feel like this particular advice applies to a very small subset of people. If I’d had professors telling me that I certainly would have considered doing a PhD! |
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| ▲ | jl6 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | True, but on the other hand, maybe only a very small subset of people should be doing a PhD. | | |
| ▲ | bonoboTP an hour ago | parent [-] | | That's what used to be thought about any school at all, then about high school diplomas then about a university diploma. Each time it was decided that by expanding the number of people they would get uplifted to a better standard of life, a higher class etc. But social status is relative and mostly zero-sum, so the value of a diploma simply goes down when everyone has one. Chasing credentials without actual value contributions cannot cash out in anything real. |
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| ▲ | mettamage 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Kind of feels a bit like How To Get Rich? Step 1: be rich Step 2: you're now rich | | |
| ▲ | bonoboTP an hour ago | parent [-] | | "How to be a top YouTuber" by MrBeast. "How to be a top athlete" by C. Ronaldo. "How to become a popstar" by Ed Sheeran. You know that such advice will have limited usefulness to most of the aspiring people. Karpathy is an exceptional person, maybe not as much as Ronaldo in football but taking advice from him similarly won't be guaranteed to work. You can't have guarantees in such things. In truth, the more literal but not fully literal thing that happens regarding surviving a PhD is that you try to publish a paper in a top venue but after several rejections you publish in a lower tier one, then you do two more followup in similarly second tier but not terrible venues and you get a "magna cum laude" or perhaps a "cum laude" once you reach 5 years and the prof wants to avoid the embarrassment of not having graduated you. Of course many people don't come into the PhD with such plans, they expect a summa cum laude and papers in top venues and talk invitations and so on, since they've always been a top student so far. |
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| ▲ | setheron 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I finished a PhD while working full time with 3 young kids.
Feel free to reach out if you've been interested and I can share my experience with you. |
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| ▲ | nine_k 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | How did you keep the motivation up? (I tried doing a PhD while working full time, and quit the idea after 3 years.) | |
| ▲ | moezd 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Interesting. A couple of questions:
- How young are the kids?
- How do they behave, especially with essentials like eating and sleeping habits?
- Could you carve out a morning and/or evening routine for yourself?
- How much outside help could you rely on (grandparents nearby, lovely neighbours...)? |
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| ▲ | ifh-hn 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I did a bachelor degree part time later in life around work and family life. I'm doing a masters full time around work and family life. My experience with academia so far have put me off further study. I really don't get the research thing, and the whole experience seems like bullshit to me. Out of all my experiences doing these things the best has been on the taught modules, that I enjoyed and I didn't feel were out of date, the worse has been the dissertations where you're doing "research". Think of a project off the top of your head and "research" it. Nonsense. |
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| ▲ | belabartok39 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | You are right, sir, you should stay away from research. Don't worry, there are others that will handle it. | | |
| ▲ | ifh-hn an hour ago | parent [-] | | Do I detect a hint of condescension? Hard to tell in text sometimes. I'm not sure how else to read your message, so in the event it is a passive aggressive attempt at being patronising I would caveat my original point with the fact I've spent the better part of a decade in higher education and I've done pretty well for myself in terms of marks, so if after all that I'm still not clear on what is meant by academic research or the point in the practice as presented to me during that time it's hardly my fault. |
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| ▲ | olirex99 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I am really curious to know how Karpathy would update this survival guide in the 2026. Hope to hear something from him! |
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| ▲ | Trickery5837 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| One thing that's not mentioned here: if you don't come from a top university, you have close-to-zero chances to have that kind of experience in your phd. If you're not incredibly picking some exceptionally relevant project soon enough, your career path after the phd will not be exactly the smooth sailing the author describes. |
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| ▲ | gskm 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Loved this article. I'd add a few things I wish someone had told me when I was starting my PhD: 1) Maximize variance, but know when to stop. Karpathy's point is great. Explore early, say yes to different things. But at some point you need to pick a direction and commit. Too much variance and you end up with nothing solid. 2) Consider smaller labs. Big famous groups are tempting, but in a small group of 3-5 people your adviser actually knows your work and gives you real feedback. In large labs you can easily become invisible. 3) Collaborate outside your lab early. Don't wait, reach out to people at other universities working on related problems. Different groups think differently and that's where good ideas come from. 4) Visit other universities. Even a few weeks at another group forces you to explain your work to people with different assumptions. It's one of the most useful things you can do during a PhD. 5)Learn to write good, structured, reproducible and maintainable code. One of the things I regret I didn't, and many working hours were wasted. Good luck to anyone starting out. |
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| ▲ | ModernMech 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Doesn’t really touch what to do when a new political administration comes in and pulls all your funding or makes your research illegal. This happened to me twice as a grad student now as a researcher funding PhD students. |
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| ▲ | butILoveLife 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Its so esoteric. You do what your priest/advisor tells you. You honor the priest. You do the latex ritual. Did it actually do anything? Ah in 8 years someone is going to replicate your study, it wont work, but too late! You got a PhD! |
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| ▲ | orthoxerox 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why don't we assign grad students to PhD courses the way NFL draft works? Let directional universities pick first and Ivies (and other prestigious universities) pick last. |
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| ▲ | gus_massa 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Linked by Gemini: From https://en.as.com/nfl/these-are-the-lowest-paid-players-in-t... > The minimum salary for the 2025 NFL season was $840,000 Raise the minimum salary of a Ph.D. student to that level and we have a deal. (The pocket salary, not $830,000 self pay to the university and $10,000 for the pocket of the student.) Also, the work in NFL is more standardized, all teams play the same games per week, have a similar amount of training time, ... In a Ph.D. the topic depends a lot of the advisor. It would be like mixing all the sports in the same bag, and for a weird reason the Waterpolo team from Alaska can pick you that are an expert in Tenis. | |
| ▲ | vaylian 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What would the benefit of that procedure be? | | |
| ▲ | orthoxerox an hour ago | parent [-] | | A more equitable distribution of quality among the universities, in the long run. |
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| ▲ | luzejian 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| One angle that's missing from this discussion: the cost asymmetry. The effort to do this well is disproportionate to the effort to do it poorly, which means most implementations in the wild are mediocre. That creates a weird market dynamic where quality becomes the differentiator by default — not because it's hard to build, but because most people stop at 'good enough' too early. |
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| ▲ | dhruv3006 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Good to see this again resurface ! |
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| ▲ | teiferer 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I can imagine that this will be similar to the "Emacs/Vim in the AI age" article - it will just be considered to matter less in the AI age. Why spend 3-5 years of your life with a sometimes frustrating experience to obtain this PhD degree if you have powerful models at your disposal that will just be able to solve everything for you? (Similar to why learn Elisp/VimScript/...) Especially considering the current trajectory, expecting where things will be in 5 or 15 years. It will just feel less and less appealing to get an in-depth education, especially a formal one. Which is quite ironic, considering who wrote the article. |
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| ▲ | hasley 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Because you may have fun working in a scientific environment and doing research. I liked my job at the university - independent of the final PhD. I enjoyed what I was doing. Most of the time I also enjoyed writing my dissertation, since I was given the opportunity to write about my stuff. And mostly I could write it in a way how I felt things are supposed to be explained. | |
| ▲ | BinRoo 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | LLMs fall victim to "garbage in, garbage out." Claude can solve open problems if you know what you're doing, but it can also incorrectly convince you it's right if you don't know what you're doing. A PhD teaches you how to think, how to learn, and how to question the world. That's a vital set of skills no matter what tool exists. | |
| ▲ | LPisGood 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It seems your question largely boils down to: “why do anything when AI could do it instead?” I think there are many answers to this, not the least of which is that AI can’t really do it instead. | |
| ▲ | allreduce 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Doing hard things has consistently made me more generally (not only in the narrow hard thing) competent and comfortable with myself. Why go to the gym if you don't need physical strength? One needs to do something to not degenerate into a miserable state. | |
| ▲ | haritha-j 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Why spend your life doing anything at all? I'm biased on the topic since im writing up atm, but it was, if nothing else, a very itnerseting way to spend 4 years of my life. | | |
| ▲ | teiferer 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | People seem to get my comment wrong. I find it very fulfilling to do a PhD and did so myself. More people should. What I mean is that I'm expecting the general view on it to evolve as described. | | |
| ▲ | haritha-j 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Ah. I did indeed misunderstand. Also, as I said, I've got a personal stake, right at the tale end of the PhD, looking for jobs, so I guess im feeling pretty defensive. I certainly hope the general public doesn't feel this way, but I've seen plenty of people say similar things about college degrees now, so it kind of makes sense. |
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| ▲ | gigabyte9592 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Models can solve the problem, but they can't tell you if the problem was worth solving in the first place. |
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