What exactly would the goal of this change be?

kayo_20211030 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Ultimately, you ask the student, in one audited test, to demonstrate that they've absorbed the essence of the course material and have developed some level of mastery.

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thfuran 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Okay, so the system is designed not to educate but to minimize the time required to determine whether students somehow stumbled into an education?

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jazzyjackson 3 hours ago | parent [-]

???

Do you only learn when you’re being graded?

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Retric 3 hours ago | parent [-]

If the change is not designed to educate the student, then the point isn’t education.

As a general rule when changing complex systems, you sacrifice what you aren’t trying to optimize. If you make a random change to a car without consideration for gas mileage it’s very likely to reduce gas mileage.

	▲	jazzyjackson 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Schools are not merely in the business of maximizing education, they have their own prestige to uphold, and they would like to give degrees with their name on it to students who have actually upheld their end of the contract. (The other side of that contract is, kids are not merely attending schools to learn, but to earn a degree that carries some degree of prestige)

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jazzyjackson 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

To have end of semester grades be determined by work that is done by the student, not through weekly assignments where it’s trivial to cheat

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thfuran 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

To what end? Not cheating on the weekly assignments is surely more beneficial to learning than cheating on them is, but I don’t see how removing the assignments altogether would help students learn.

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kayo_20211030 3 hours ago | parent [-]

If you nail the one exam, you get an A+. If you fail it, you get an F. In between, you get what your score says you get.

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thfuran 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I understand the proposed grading system but not the reason for selecting that particular system.

	▲	kayo_20211030 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		It's a crude blade to avoid the issues of AI pollution of weekly submissions, of which few teachers have much confidence that the submission itself was actually written by the student - who's assumed to be learning something. The OP was about students dumbing down their own work to avoid AI detectors ratting them out. That seems like a big loss.

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jupp0r 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And what would the goal of that be? I thought the goal of education was... education. The grading is not goal in itself. Will this really motivate kids to do better?

	▲	kayo_20211030 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It's to prove that a student is actually educated and has a firm grasp of the course material. If one gets an A every week on AI-assisted submissions, can one make such a claim? And can a teacher make the claim that they've achieved any actual education of the student? A grade, on a single proctored test, is a crude metric, but at least it would be a brutally fair one.