Our job is done for. We will be shown the door, and everyone will rejoice. Everyone will live in a happy world where you'll doddle a house and Claude will build you a next generation SaaS that makes you millions. Managers will do the job of engineers, by just telling LLMs to make an app or to make money or something. C-suites will have agents doing the jobs of managers, and CEOs will run entire companies with a Claude $200 subscription alone. It is truly the next thing, and the future, probably happening in the next 2 years, or in 2 years in 2 years.

Yesterday I had an interview, but I got rejected. They decided to go for a manager with a Claude subscription who vibe-coded a weather app.

This is the end of software engineering.

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xantronix 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I cannot tell if this is a genuine sentiment or parody; in this space, the two coincide with one another so frequently these days that it's hard to tell.

Please don't give up. This too shall pass. The bill for the worst excesses in this great experiment will come due. I can imagine the need to reckon with the growing technical and cognitive debt in a responsible way will be an existential issue for some enterprises. Somebody will need to step in and be the adults in the room.

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ramon156 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I got laid off at a job where this applied, then at another company got rejected because they cancelled the position altogether to use Agentic Coding by Microsoft instead.

Then I joined a small consultancy that just lets me build however I want. There's no reviews, no sprint reviews, no evaluation. They trust that you work on what is important.

While this is a very messy and unmaintained workflow, it is a lot nicer and I am honestly wondering if Scrum is even necessary when you're only with 4-5 devs. Maybe it is to streamline newcomers? Because it took a bit of time to gather all the project info, but after that it was pretty relaxing.

I don't know, the market has shifted so much that I feel like I should probably be contempt with what I have.

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azangru 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> it is a lot nicer and I am honestly wondering if Scrum is even necessary when you're only with 4-5 devs.

Scrum is so woefully misunderstood.

It makes sense for small teams (yes, those 4-5 devs), if — and that's a big if — they work together on a single product. It is intended for developers to coordinate with each other, and also provides feedback loops for reality checks and for improvement of collaboration.

If those 4-5 developers work independently from one another, don't have to coordinate, don't need business to tell them what, out of various options, is the most important thing to work on right now, and don't need feedback from users to correct them along the way, then of course they don't need scrum.

	▲	habinero 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yeah, it's basically just formalized rules for communication, and I've been on teams where it worked great I think it's awful when people follow it slavishly -- you chuck out anything that doesn't fit your team. And yeah, in the example you gave, it's a terrible fit lol I have some stakeholders that do not know what they want and can't define it, so in desperation I dragged them thorough making fucking user stories -- user stories --and oh my god they loved it lol They immediately started trying to apply it to everything too. I have regrets.

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mzl 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In my view, Scrum is a way to force dysfunctional teams to have some process, it is not useful for a team that is already delivering and working in a samll-a agile manner.

	▲	ap99 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		If you were to write down a guide on how to avoid team dysfunction, it would get a name or maybe an acronym. If it worked someone would say, hey let's use this in more places. If it worked really well others would say these aren't guidelines they're dogma. Now we have scrum 2.0.

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dormento 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A wise person once said "scrum turns dysfunctional teams into average teams. It also turns highly-motivated teams into average teams".

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jpfromlondon 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're right, but you're going to be inundated with

"but real scrum has never been tried" types.

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brailsafe 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Scrum is just one of the early signs for me to start looking for a new job

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AlexandrB 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Scrum is management consulting companies trying to keep their job by turning something that would make them irrelevant (the agile manifesto) into something that requires tons of billable hours and useless qualifications like "scrum master". Seems to be working great for them.

	▲	SAI_Peregrinus an hour ago \| parent [-]
		The agile manifesto is about how to run a consulting company. "Customer collaboration over contract negotiation" is not something non-contracting software teams have to worry about, customer collaboration is important but there's no contract negotiation to prioritize it over.

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wiseowise 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Using just one $200 Claude subscription? What is that? 2024? Managers? Get on my level, son. It’ll be one man unicorns, new breed of CEOs running army of openclaws. I’ll have you fucking know that I’ve just launched “build me a next unicorn” prompt and 1000 agents have been running nonstop for a week. See me at the top of the AngelList, chump. Though I’ve probably won’t see you while you collect your unemployment check and food stamps.

	▲	kekqqq 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> Get on my level, son. It’ll be one man unicorns, new breed of CEOs running army of openclaws. I’ll have you fucking know that I’ve just launched “build me a next unicorn” prompt and 1000 agents have been running nonstop for a week. Woah, what is that 2026? Emulating the economy using human flesh is obsolete. Just emulate the entire C-suite with the fleet of agents in the latent space of LLMs running on the orbital datacenters, powered by the same solar energy that used to keep humans warm.

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intelVISA 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I appreciate this is satire, or marketing, but I'll engage: in this scenario how is the SaaS generating millions if anyone can just prompt their own?

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zombot 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Apparently it never occurs to the Believers to ask this exact question. They will pay an expensive subscription to vibe-earn money without working.

	▲	gedy 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		One of my LinkedIn connections is at a place where the leadership brags about how easy it is to prompt their features. I'm like: are you f-ing stupid?

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krzat 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The end game is Zuckerberg sitting alone in his bunker and vibe-ceo'ing all of facebook.

	▲	zombot 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		He'll also have to be vibe-eating because nobody is vibe-growing food any more. Everybody's too busy vibe-vacationing.

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sdevonoes 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Simply put in your resume that you are a manager? And learn how to vibe code a weather app?

Wouldn’t be the first time I “lie” in my CV about my skills (“lie” in quotes because I can learn pretty fast; I know the fundamentals)

	▲	alchemism 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Fake It ‘Till You Make It.

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tehlike 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

can't tell if you are serious or not.

	▲	MrScruff 10 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It should be obvious, particularly from this line: > It is truly the next thing, and the future, probably happening in the next 2 years, or in 2 years in 2 years.

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bitwize 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> by just telling LLMs to make an app or to make money or something.

Again, that is literally OpenAI's business model: burn money building ChatGPT until it's smart enough to tell them how to be profitable.

"That's a bold strategy, Cotton, let's see if it pays off for 'em."

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HardCodedBias 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"This is the end of software engineering."

Likely. The models have to improve, but the trend has been strong.

I have the misfortune to be required to use Gemini at Google, so I am not seeing it as clearly as others, but indeed the trend seems real.

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gedy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe, but why have (frankly not that intelligent/logical) PMs doing dev work vs the dev/eng types being the PMs with AI help?

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krater23 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

HAHAHAHA. Dodged a bullet. Do you really want to work in a enterprice where HR is so dumb to buy this shit? Just think, they hire all your colleagues.

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butILoveLife 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A few points to add:

>I have my wife vibe coding programs for her medical company. Its great. Saved her $200/mo so far from ADP

>I have tried encouraging others to vibe code, and they don't even know basic things like how to save files as .html... At best I've taught them to disagree with the AI and tell the AI "Make me a file I can click on".

>Being precise on the steps to solve a problem can be the difference between 1 shot success and floundering.

>Maybe do something that involves physical space and programming.