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pixl97 a day ago

Greed is good! Anything that's not greed is socialism and we can't have that now, can we.

tombert a day ago | parent | next [-]

I find it amusing that people will quote the "Greed is Good" speech by Gordon Gecko, and they will do it unironically, I guess forgetting that he's the villain in that movie. You're not supposed to agree with him.

busterarm a day ago | parent [-]

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suzdude a day ago | parent | next [-]

And how many hundreds of millions has capitalism killed?

Considering American involved Wars: American Civil War, Vietnam War, First Gulf War, Iraq War, World War 2

Considering how many millions have died due to unrestrained capitalism destroying ecosystem, contaminating air, water, soil?

Please do not pretend that capitalism does not promote nor allow the deaths of those who it is profitable to allow to die.

kelseyfrog a day ago | parent [-]

Every death under socialism is attributed to socialism. Every death under capitalism is attributed to individual failing or inevitability. Please follow the rules.

analognoise 21 hours ago | parent [-]

It’s a very convenient set of rules, that allow us to place all the deaths into another column in our tabulation.

busterarm 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Socialism's high death toll is the _direct_ result of the _implementation_ of socialist policies. No other form of governance shares this honor.

tombert 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Umm, I would argue that Fascism shares that honor actually.

tombert a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I'd argue that the way that socialist Russia turned out was very specifically because of very greedy people, so not negating my point. Stalin basically appointed himself kings while using anti-king rhetoric to take down the Romanovs.

busterarm 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Except it's not just Russia...

tombert 9 hours ago | parent [-]

My point still stands.

I think a lot of the awfulness that has come out of the implementations of socialism has come from greed.

North Korea’s awfulness came because Kim Il Sung decided to appoint himself as king right after their revolution. Cuba’s awfulness came because Castro decided to appoint himself as king right after their revolution.

I could keep going, but my point is, and call their surrounding system whatever you want, these things are still a consequence of immense greed.

ETA:

You keep trying to turn what I said into some anti-socialist thing, which seems to imply that you think I am a socialist. I am not.

I think that a lot of the biggest issues with socialism come from greed. Greed is not good. Greed is bad. It’s bad when it’s in a capitalist context, it’s bad when it’s in a socialist context. It’s bad in every context. You can keep going on about how horrible you think socialism is if you want but that’s orthogonal to what I was saying.

blell a day ago | parent | prev [-]

This but unironically. If it wasn’t for greed we would be in the caves still.

pixl97 8 hours ago | parent [-]

It turns out any kind of extremism is a problem.