> no, I'm not going to manage TODOs on my phone - whole other conversation

I will. Far simpler, far more secure and far less wasteful than inserting some additional and unrequired LLM loop + hardware/virtualisation layer on top to do something I've already been able to do for years.

> But until you've had it on you for a while, you can't comprehend the utility.

You've not yet described anything that literally 99% of the population can not already do with the existing hardware and software in their pocket.

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BeetleB a day ago | parent [-]

> Far simpler

And far less capable. I have a whole system for managing TODOs, notes, etc, and I've not found an app that fits my needs (especially given that the system evolves over time).

But I agree - if you have a flow that works great for you with just a phone, then I wouldn't recommend OpenClaw for that use case.

> You've not yet described anything that literally 99% of the population can not already do with the existing hardware and software in their pocket.

And in the early days, literally everyone I knew who owned an iPhone also owned a digital camera and a laptop. Why pay some crazy amount for a fancy phone?

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theshackleford a day ago | parent [-]

Well, i'm happy for you from the respect that as someone with ADHD, getting a working notes and TODO system for me was life changing, and was something that in fact took me years, and I still tend to occasionally uproot my system, so I can understand that getting to somewhere it works for you can be of tremendous value alone.

> I have a whole system for managing TODOs, notes, etc

So do I and it can already accept input via text or voice from my phone and so I’m just not seeing the benefit of inserting an additional LLM orchestration layer just to route tasks into it.

> And far less capable.

My current setup can already capture voice and text, and can route it automatically into Logseq, Trello, or even org-mode. These all can be viewed from the same (or other) devices. Honestly, I would have to think it was of more usage in retrieval than submission if I was to ever go that route. Like instead of reviewing my todos/schedule manually.

> And in the early days, literally everyone I knew who owned an iPhone also owned a digital camera and a laptop. Why pay some crazy amount for a fancy phone?

A Phone enabled entirely new behaviors that were not possible from my laptop or camera at the time. Persistent connectivity, real-time location services and on device image capture, edit and sharing just to name an incredibly small few. It created use cases that weren’t practical or even possible previously.

I’m open to being convinced, but I haven’t yet seen an example where OpenClaw enables something meaningfully new rather than repackaging something I can already do right now. Perhaps i'd be more open to it if it not literally everything I could think of using it for did not lead to atrocious security implmentations.

	▲	theshrike79 a day ago \| parent \| next [-]
		ADHD here too For me what works is limiting and filtering everything. I'm a programmer so I write small tools for this, CLI-ones because they have the lowest barrier of entry for me and are also scriptable - and nowadays LLM-capable. At work I get a bunch of Github notifications from all kinds of crap, on the Github site the options are "on" and "off" pretty much. So I built a TUI tool that uses the `gh` CLI and filters out all that to just the exact set I want to see, nothing more. I have a tool that summarises long Youtube videos for me in a way that I can quickly see if it's worth the 40 minutes to 2 hours of watching or is it just two ideas spread over multiple minues for more ad revenue. Pretty much every operation that needs me to pick up my phone, unlock it, find an app and in the app scroll down somewhere to get to the information will eventually get a CLI tool instead. Gonna do a weather one right now just based on @BeetleB's idea :D And I'm pretty sure by the end of the summer I'll have some flavour of Claw running and using those tools to proactively give me the information I need. A simple example: Calendar has an event far enough to warrant driving -> claw checks weather around that time+location(s) -> notify me if it looks like I need to dig my car from under a snowbank again. Or at the very least ping me with the current + future weather prediction around that time.
	▲	BeetleB a day ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> A Phone enabled entirely new behaviors that were not possible from my laptop or camera at the time. Persistent connectivity, real-time location services and on device image capture, edit and sharing just to name an incredibly small few. All of these things were doable without a smartphone - just very inconvenient to do so. And all of these things are potentially dangerous ;-) > Perhaps i'd be more open to it if it not literally everything I could think of using it for did not lead to atrocious security implmentations. I was like you - seemed too scary (and expensive) to use. But given its traction, I figured I may end up at a disadvantage if I didn't at least learn it. So when I had some time, I simply looked at it, felt installing a VM is (relatively) low risk, and tried it out. It's a very open ended tool. Ideas will come as you explore its capability. When LLMs came out, people (including me) said "Neat gimmick, but is it actually useful?" and stopped using it a month or two in. It was about 6 more months before I found a real use case for LLMs, and slowly I found more and more use cases. And so it is with OpenClaw. For me, just being able to query it for the exact weather information I need is great - if you live in an area where knowing this stuff is important. I have yet to find a tool that is good in converting receipts into the form I need. I spend time each month doing it manually. LLMs may get me there, and if it does, I'll likely hook it into OpenClaw.