| ▲ | observationist 5 hours ago |
| 0-5 years commercial copyright - the author/creator has total say on any and all commercial use, fair use doctrine applies. Years 6-10, extended fair use: mandatory attribution and 15% royalty but otherwise unlimited for public use in any context, for any reason. Years 11+, goes to public domain. Simple system. Encourages creativity, 99% of all money made on media (books, music, movies,etc) gets made during the first 5 years after publishing. No grandfathered works, no lineages of families who had a creative relative back in the 40s getting to coast through life by bilking the rest of the world on their fluke of genetics. Current copyright is a sick joke designed to enrich lawyers and wealthy IP hoarders, and screw the public out of money on a continual basis. We don't have to live like this. Until it changes, pirate everything. |
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| ▲ | jcranmer 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| So what you're saying is that you think George R R Martin should not see a dime of revenue from the hit TV series made off of his books? Because Game of Thrones came out 20 years after the first book was published. |
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| ▲ | iso1631 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Maybe it would have encouraged him to write the last books and thus have an ending | |
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| ▲ | danaris 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | First of all, your timeline is off: A Game of Thrones was published in 1996, and the Game of Thrones series premiered in 2011. Second of all, even if you were correct, that would only apply to the first book, not the subsequent ones, which were spread out across 1999-2011 (indeed, A Dance with Dragons came out the same year as the TV series premiered). So perhaps you'd like to pick a different copyright maximalist strawman? | | |
| ▲ | jimmydddd 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Even if the timeline in the question is off, do you agree with the premise? If Stephen King puts out a novel in 2026, when should I be able to sell photocopies of the novel without paying royalties. 2027? | | |
| ▲ | ElevenLathe 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | According to the regime this thread is discussing (in observationist's post upthread), 2037. This seems more than fair to me. |
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| ▲ | estimator7292 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is a pretty braindead take by an American who is fundamentally incapable of imagining any value system that does not include a price tag. Believe it or not, many things in life have great value for everyone else without involving money. Money is not the one and only thing you should concern yourself with. To answer your question: yes, everyone plays by the same rules. If you don't finish your book series before copyright expires and someone makes a show out of it, you've missed your chance. That's capitalism for you. What's more logical here? Should a person have the unilateral and unlimited right to a piece of work for all eternity or is it perhaps a better business bet to allow short copyright to protect the immediate rights of the creator and then allow more businesses to make more products based on the work? Do you want more capitalism or none? You can't have it both ways. | | |
| ▲ | jcranmer 9 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The ultimate purpose of copyright is to protect creators from the rapacious publishing industry. Now, it doesn't do a good job of it, in large part because the publishers have twisted it to mostly be a tool for publishers attacking publishers rather than creators to retain their rights. But how much better would it be for creators if you gave those rapacious publishers the unconditional right to screw them over if they just wait 5 years (given production lead times)? You're taking away essentially the only lever creators have over some of the greediest capitalists imaginable, and it boggles my mind that anyone thinks that's going to improve the lives of creators. > Should a person have the unilateral and unlimited right to a piece of work for all eternity Funny that you think I think this. No, I think the ideal copyright term is somewhere around 50 years. When you make it too short, you end up incentivizing publishers to screw over their creators as the copyright term will mostly be eaten up by the time it takes to produce something in the first place. |
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| ▲ | goku12 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Wait! Are you talking about the history or the future aspiration? I thought that the IP laws were initially like what you described here, until the greedy class stuffed the politicians' mouths with cash (aka lobbying). |
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| ▲ | kube-system 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The first copyright law granted 14 years to everything and 21 years for works already in production. The first copyright law in the US granted 14 years + a renewable 14 years. | |
| ▲ | observationist 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is what I want copyright and patents to be. I could see a case for the initial patent period to go up to 10 years, but more or less operate identically. Make it apply retroactively. Clean, simple, no exceptions, grandfathered special interests, or variations for special industries. This nukes all the exploitative actors in the industry, like the textbook publishing industry, patent trolls, IP hoarders like Sony, Disney, etc. It turbocharges culture - gives everyone an even playing field, right when we need it most. It makes AI use cases clean, but might be worth formalizing - $150 or %15 of revenue relative to the total percentage of a creator's fair-use content in the training data, whichever is greater, and the per item minimum gets decided each year by the office of the copyright, adjusted for inflation, etc. No more technical gotcha game bullshit making lawyers and giant corporations insanely rich, just in time for the AI revolution, and best of all, it makes vast swathes of data legal for open source and small businesses, with no barrier to entry. Groups like Anna's Archive and SciHub can come to understandings with publishers, transitioning from pirates to first-class archivists on the internet, letting them engage in legitimate commercial activities without threat of legal peril. No more soccer moms getting slapped with nonsense million dollar fines by MAFIAA lawyers. The entire industry of rent seeking copyright grifters gets nuked from orbit, and nobody gets hurt. The old paradigm of middlemen and studios and platforms justifying all the apparatus and exploitation through providing "legal services" and exposure and access to IP goes kaput. | | |
| ▲ | Angostura 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | The only disadvantage I see might be the increase in use of trade secrets if patents no longer look sufficiently attractive. The quid pro quo basically used to be 'tell us your secret sauce and in return you'll get monopoly use for a period. There's a bit of a balancing act. Of course that original concept has been corrupted | | |
| ▲ | observationist 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, but the advantage in the modern world is reverse engineering things is easy; if your tech isn't patented, it can be copied, and if existing patents don't cover it, they can file a patent on the copy, and then you're paying royalties to the ones that copied your tech, etc. We're almost at the point that you can take a video, give it to an AI, and have it produce CAD drawings, circuit schematics, and detailed process documents to rebuild something. We're going to need responsive, flexible, and clear laws around things. The current system is also designed around a court system and process that regularly drags out for 3+ years, and results in lawyers being paid obscene amounts of money. Having a clear claim and no legal technicalities means authors don't have to invest years of their lives and lots of money to fight big companies who don't care about losing a few hundred grand just on principle, and so forth. A whole lot of the pacing and timing around copyright laws originate with conventions from pre-electricity times, and only get perpetuated because grifty people want their legalized scams to continue. | | |
| ▲ | kube-system 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Yeah, but the advantage in the modern world is reverse engineering things is easy; if your tech isn't patented, it can be copied That's true for products that are freely distributed, less so for inventions that are more closely held. If you're doing something like cutting-edge physics, aerospace, semiconductors, biotech, etc -- trade secrets have always been pretty compelling by default, and patents were seen as a way to encourage more sharing. It's a balance, and I think we should be mindful that we don't get too caught up in worrying about mass-produced widgets of little importance "taking advantage" of patents so much that we eliminate out the incentive to share the real cutting edge advancements. In an alternative software world, "Attention is all you need" could have been a trade secret instead of a public paper. |
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| ▲ | Cider9986 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Anyone looking to start pirating check out fmhy.net (free media heck yeah) |
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| ▲ | specialist an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I'm totally fine with your proposal. I especially like no-permission-needed for commercial use with predetermined royalties. Throw in patents and I'll be your best friend for life. Another reform notion I heard (IIRC): Require formal renewal of copyrights. $10 fee per year to cover expenses. Allows Disney to keep their Tug Boat Willie and Mickey Mouse for as long as they like, without borking the rest of society. My own reform idea: Royalty also paid to the government. For all IP, for all time. To enjoy our govt's subsidies, protection (tort), and adjudication (contracts), you gotta pay. The aircraft carrier groups, diplomats, intelligence services, and lawyers needed to keep our markets open don't just pay for themselves. |