| ▲ | Gualdrapo 8 hours ago |
| Is "Microslop" really insulting, though? |
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| ▲ | TOMDM 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| You can argue that banning insults is a bad look, bad move, that the insult is warranted or whatever, but are you really going to die on the hill that calling the company Microslop isn't insulting? |
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| ▲ | cluckindan 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | insult (verb): to say or do something to someone that is rude or offensive Corporate personhood at its finest. | | |
| ▲ | wraptile 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | People do work at Microsoft though and they're probably aren't very happy when their work is called slop. You could even say they are feeling insulted or offended. | | |
| ▲ | miningape 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Simple. Don't produce slop then. If it offends you so much that people call your work as it is, you should do better work, grow some thicker skin, or stop. | | |
| ▲ | wraptile 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'd agree but if you ever been on the receiving end of a meme-train you'd see that it's not driven by rationality. I'm not familiar with this issue but my bet would be that even hand-crafted personal projects were being called slop because once meme runs away from initial meaning it just becomes closer to swear word than a meaning. | | |
| ▲ | bigfishrunning an hour ago | parent [-] | | If there was a lot of handcrafted personal projects coming from Microsoft, their reputation would change. But there isn't. I would imagine anyone who is interested in "handcrafted personal projects" sees the writing on the wall and is at least looking to leave Microsoft, which seems to be positioned to be the Prime Slop Factory. |
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| ▲ | crote 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | See, that requires the code to be written by an actual human being, who has agency and a sense of pride and ownership about their work. Maybe there are still some teams deep inside the bowels of Microsoft that management has forgotten about that still operate like that, but judging by the way the user-facing parts of its products have developed, the mass firings, and the pushing of AI-driven development by upper management, it seems very clear to me that there's very little risk of insulting anything anyone actually cares about. |
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| ▲ | schiffern 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Hey now, what's wrong with 'slop?' A farmer loves slop. It's dirt cheap, and the pigs don't seem to mind... |
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| ▲ | 7952 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The branding people will hate it. Although IMHO the best thing they could do is co-opt it as a feedback term and acknowledge that AI can be hit or miss. |
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| ▲ | latexr 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It is definitely an insult because it’s used pejoratively. If it is insulting I guess depends on if the target feels insulted. Seeing as they blocked the word, it seems they do. |
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| ▲ | angstrom 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Less insulting than Macroslop |
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| ▲ | Manfred 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why wouldn’t it be? It’s a mean derivation of their company name. |
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| ▲ | seanclayton 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's as insulting as M$ is | | |
| ▲ | JasonADrury 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Has there ever been a single good piece of writing that uses "M$" or the likes? "M$" may not be insulting in itself, but it's certainly typically associated with insultingly poor writing. | | |
| ▲ | BigTTYGothGF 38 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > Has there ever been a single good piece of writing that uses "M$" or the likes? There has not. |
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| ▲ | cinntaile 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | How is M$ insulting? It just looks like a leetspeak version of MS. | | |
| ▲ | riffraff 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It is supposed to indicate Microsoft cares only about money, which to me too, seems in the same league as microslop, i.e. mildly insulting but really not rude enough to be worth censoring. | |
| ▲ | matsemann 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And other insults are just words as well. It's the intention, history, connotation etc. behind words that give them meaning. M$ is meant as an insult, hence it's insulting. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/M$ | | | |
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| ▲ | 4gotunameagain 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It would be mean if they weren't actually vibecoding copilot & md into notepad, introducing an RCE vulnerability. In notepad. | | |
| ▲ | TOMDM 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Why get yourself twisted like this? They can do a bad thing, and then you can make fun of it with an insult. Own it, the insult is warranted, why hide and pretend it's not an insult. If Microsoft is consistently shipping slop, then they deserve insults over it; not every "bad" thing is always unwarranted. Locking someone in a box is "bad", prison is a necessary thing that benefits society. Insults are "bad" and sometimes warranted. | |
| ▲ | FpUser 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They did not rewrite Notepad in Rust? Seems to be an easy target |
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| ▲ | fireflash38 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Maybe they should stop insulting their users with the slop they put out and charge for then. |
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| ▲ | hagbard_c 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If anything it is a diminutive for a company which really should have named itself Megaslop by now if not Gigaslop or even Teraslop. Poor little Microslop, are those people being nasty again? |
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| ▲ | windowliker 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's insulting to good, honest slop. |
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| ▲ | 5o1ecist 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Truth hurts the immature, which is also why censorship is rampant. |
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| ▲ | blell 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | I would say that “microslop” is akin to the old term “micro$oft”, which was a good sign of immaturity of whoever used it. |
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| ▲ | JasonADrury 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I think the most important question here is this: Are users who post the string "microslop" generally desirable participants that will contribute in a productive manner? I suspect not. |
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| ▲ | Steve16384 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It depends what the purpose of the Discord channel is. Is it for open and frank discussion, or for MS drones to discuss Copilot development. It's a cliche, but banning certain words smacks of 1984-style censorship. | | |
| ▲ | JasonADrury 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Is it for open and frank discussion So... 4chan? Why would you possibly want that in this context? Although, you're posting on HN so it's probably fair to assume that "open and frank discussion" isn't a very high priority for you. |
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| ▲ | crote 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | An even more important question is: why does Microsoft care so much about a handful of people using that term that they are willing to risk getting Streisanded over it? Nobody cares about banning the few idiots who do nothing but spam "MICROSLOP SUCKS MICROSLOP SUCKS". But banning the entire term "microslop", just in case someone might use it? Well, what kind of response were they expecting? | | |
| ▲ | JasonADrury 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >An even more important question is: why does Microsoft care so much about a handful of people using that term that they are willing to risk getting Streisanded over it? Because the decision was made by some normal adult without mental health issues who hasn't internalized just how disturbed some people on the internet are? It really shouldn't be unreasonable for moderators to try to maintain a professional tone. Although in this case they certainly picked the wrong platform if "professional" was what they were going for. | |
| ▲ | SpicyLemonZest 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is one of those things that's hard to understand without practical moderation experience. The presence of an insulting meme creates the idiots who spam it, and creates a larger category of people who deploy it to toxify what would otherwise be polite and respectful discussion. And low quality comments that get a couple laugh reacts, even if you can consistently remove them within the hour, are fully capable of propagating it. Keyword bans are definitely a heavy-handed option, they do risk the Streisand effect, and in the worst case that can require the scorched-earth counterresponse described in the source article. But sometimes there's just no other way to kill the meme. | | |
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