| ▲ | amelius 10 hours ago |
| But where is the EU? They should be funding FOSS like they are funding science. |
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| ▲ | sfdlkj3jk342a 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I don't think the EU wants FOSS phones. If anything they'll push regulations that make them illegal to own. They want backdoors for all of your communication. |
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| ▲ | holgerschurig 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You have a very narrow view of the EU. The EU isn't a single body, dictated by some common mind. We have the EU Parliament, the EU Council, the EU Commission. Often they have different views in itself (e.g. factions in EU Parliament, or commissars in the commission that are more end-user-friendly vs. ones that are move business-friendly). And the EU Council (the ring of head-of-member-states) is more often than not just of one opinion, e.g. thing at Poland when it was governed by PiS. Or of Hungary and to some smaller extend Slovakia. "The EU wants ..." is therefore quite often wrong. | | |
| ▲ | raincole 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | https://fightchatcontrol.eu/ If out of 720 MEPs, 568 are supporting Chat Control, then yes, I think it's very fair to say "The EU wants...". | | |
| ▲ | AnssiH 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That site lists many of candidates as "support" just because they have not publicly opposed, so it is not a realistic view on the opinions of EU parliament.
Better to look at actual votes cast. Also, they are not distinguishing between supporting mandatory monitoring and other forms (e.g. present legal situation where monitoring is allowed). The current proposals do not include mandatory monitoring. If mandatory chatcontrol had the wide support that site suggests, it would have been introduced and passed long ago. | |
| ▲ | stavros 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If it's been trying to get passed for years and hasn't yet, I think it's fair to say the EU very much doesn't want. | | |
| ▲ | mcdonje 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | If they can't get it passed because the people don't want it, then why do they keep trying to pass it? Some entities with a lot of power or influence clearly want it. This is the same thing we see in the US. We keep saying "no", and they keep trying. Maybe the EU people don't want it, but at least some governing body of the EU clearly does. There's a comment not too far up in this thread saying this is more of a US thing than an EU thing, but it looks like exactly the same pattern from where I'm sitting in the US. | | |
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| ▲ | raffael_de 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | as long as the EU is headed by a woman who habitually loses SMS messages negotiating billion euro deals i figure the assessment you question is spot on. | | |
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| ▲ | amelius 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Check this reply: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47216751 | |
| ▲ | troupo 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > If anything they'll push regulations that make them illegal to own. And this inane take is based on what exactly? Not on recent regulations that literally force companies to open up and interoperate? | |
| ▲ | victorbjorklund 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think you are talking about Trump and Palantir. That is more US thing. |
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| ▲ | scientism 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The EU Commission had an open consultation about "Open Source and Digital Ecosystems" recently and is planing to (more) heavily invest in OSS in the future as a matter of sovereignty. https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-ope... |
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| ▲ | nicce 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Don’t they already fund more than anyone else? Not saying that it is currently enough. |
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| ▲ | Fervicus 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They are busy pushing Chat Control. |
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| ▲ | urza 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| EU will put strong statement out soon. |
