I don't think the EU wants FOSS phones. If anything they'll push regulations that make them illegal to own. They want backdoors for all of your communication.

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holgerschurig 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You have a very narrow view of the EU. The EU isn't a single body, dictated by some common mind.

We have the EU Parliament, the EU Council, the EU Commission. Often they have different views in itself (e.g. factions in EU Parliament, or commissars in the commission that are more end-user-friendly vs. ones that are move business-friendly). And the EU Council (the ring of head-of-member-states) is more often than not just of one opinion, e.g. thing at Poland when it was governed by PiS. Or of Hungary and to some smaller extend Slovakia.

"The EU wants ..." is therefore quite often wrong.

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raincole 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

If out of 720 MEPs, 568 are supporting Chat Control, then yes, I think it's very fair to say "The EU wants...".

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AnssiH 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That site lists many of candidates as "support" just because they have not publicly opposed, so it is not a realistic view on the opinions of EU parliament. Better to look at actual votes cast.

Also, they are not distinguishing between supporting mandatory monitoring and other forms (e.g. present legal situation where monitoring is allowed).

The current proposals do not include mandatory monitoring. If mandatory chatcontrol had the wide support that site suggests, it would have been introduced and passed long ago.

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stavros 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If it's been trying to get passed for years and hasn't yet, I think it's fair to say the EU very much doesn't want.

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mcdonje 10 hours ago | parent [-]

If they can't get it passed because the people don't want it, then why do they keep trying to pass it? Some entities with a lot of power or influence clearly want it. This is the same thing we see in the US. We keep saying "no", and they keep trying.

Maybe the EU people don't want it, but at least some governing body of the EU clearly does.

There's a comment not too far up in this thread saying this is more of a US thing than an EU thing, but it looks like exactly the same pattern from where I'm sitting in the US.

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stavros 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"Someone in the EU wants it" and "the EU wants it" are very different things.

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mcdonje 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Synecdoche. The EU governmental body is acting like it wants it.

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stavros 10 hours ago | parent [-]

And, again, that's not the EU.

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yownie 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

if you truly dig down it's the US and of all people Ashton Kutcher (https://mullvad.net/en/why-privacy-matters/going-dark) who are pushing this. So they can then point to the EU and say ”they do it so why not do it here?”

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raffael_de 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

as long as the EU is headed by a woman who habitually loses SMS messages negotiating billion euro deals i figure the assessment you question is spot on.

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		is that what you mean? https://www.eclaireur.eu/p/following-the-sms-scandal-von-der

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amelius 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Check this reply:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47216751

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troupo 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> If anything they'll push regulations that make them illegal to own.

And this inane take is based on what exactly?

Not on recent regulations that literally force companies to open up and interoperate?

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victorbjorklund 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think you are talking about Trump and Palantir. That is more US thing.