Hmm the one thing I'm kinda missing with grapheneos is mobile payments. The banks here in Europe used to have their own nfc apps but in my country they've all moved to Google wallet :( or Samsung pay.

I don't want Google monitoring my payments so I'm using Samsung now but I'd love to have something more open for this.

I was kinda hoping the partner would be Samsung so they might collaborate on a payment system too. I don't think Motorola has anything like that.

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drnick1 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If you don't want your payments to be tracked you need to use cash or crypto. Otherwise, just use a credit card. I really don't see how unlocking a phone is easier or more convenient than using a credit card.

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n8cpdx 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The watch is on my wrist, or the phone is already in my hand. The credit card is buried in a wallet that needs to be taken out of and put back into a pocket.

Also “unlocking” isn’t an inconvenient step, on iPhone it just happens automatically. As it should on android if the fingerprint sensor is in a convenient location.

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tenthirtyam 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Umm, assuming you have the same opinion as grandparent comment, you don't want google tracking your payments but you'll happily trust google's pinky promise about your fingerprint being stored only on the phone?

	▲	n8cpdx 10 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I’m not commenting on the security/privacy. Only the convenience. And I find tap to pay extraordinarily convenient - a significant upgrade over the plastic card.

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strcat 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you're in Europe you can use Curve Pay, PayPal and multiple banks which haven't moved to Google Pay. Alternatively, pay in cash if you want privacy.

	▲	padjo 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Curve Pay refused to give me an account on my Murena FP6 and no local bank offers contactless without google pay, so I'm stuck using a bank card like a caveman.

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timedude 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If this partnership with motorolla becomes a success, samsung will follow as will the chinese.

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ternwer 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Motorola phones are Chinese, aren't they? They mention being a Lenovo company in the article.

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amelius 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, Motorola is a Chinese company.

	▲	linhns 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		This is a shame for the American old mobile phone industry. There was always potential in the brand and the phones they produce that deserved to be saved. Now hopefully Lenovo does it justice, unlike Thinkpad which they have milked and diluted everything out of.

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icar 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Curve works on GrapheneOS. I use it weekly.

	▲	wolvoleo 10 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Oh thanks, that one I didn't know, I'll have a look at it. It seems to be European too which is another big plus.

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Cider9986 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hate to break it to you, but 100s of third parties are privy to your exact payments including locations. Google could easily buy that information.

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aniviacat 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

PayPal's tap-to-pay also works without Google Wallet (and therefore on GrapheneOS). It isn't any more open than Samsung Pay though.

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tigrezno 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yup, tried Graphene but went back to Android because of NFC payments.

	▲	ThePowerOfFuet 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Using your phone instead of a plastic card is that important to you, at the cost of your privacy?

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Tade0 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was hoping more banks would introduce support for U2F. In Europe ING was one of the first if not the first, but so far few followed.

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wolvoleo 10 hours ago | parent [-]

That's for logging into the app. What I mean is using NFC for payments.

I have ING but they also moved away from supplying their own NFC payments in favour of using Google Play, sadly.

	▲	Tade0 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I checked and I can set one of my banks as the "default wallet app". I guess there are still some holdouts left.

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Maken 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

With the adoption of Wero that should stop being a problem. As long as your bank app works on GrapheneOS.

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wolvoleo 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Wero makes it worse not better.

With wero you must have play integrity and you can't even have developer mode turned on which is frankly ridiculous. I don't know of a single app that requires that. Source: https://support.wero-wallet.eu/hc/en-us/articles/25599098295...

They had a great opportunity to make an ecosystem not dependent on google and apple and they utterly failed. You can't even log into it on the web, you must use the app.

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flexagoon 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's for the Wero wallet app specifically, no? I use iDEAL through my bank app and it works great, I'd assume it won't change with Wero since it's basically the same thing

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jeroenhd 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Wero extends iDeal in that it comes with its own app/wallet and user account service. A bit like Paypal.

A step backwards, in my opinion. I'm not sure what this system adds that sharing an IBAN doesn't, but then again Tikkie's conquered that market pretty quickly for some reason as well and each bank has had to copy that feature individually.

	▲	flexagoon 7 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		https://support.wero-wallet.eu/hc/en-us There are separate sections for "Wero in your bank app" and "Wero in the Wero app", so I assume the Wero wallet won't be mandatory
	▲	microtonal 8 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		If you click on a specific bank on the Wero app page, for many banks it will just redirect to the bank's app.

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jeroenhd 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

My bank app scans Wero QR codes and works fine on a rooted custom ROM, maybe after dismissing a popup about weird software, as long as it's already custom and rooted at the time of setup.

It would be a pain if your bank wouldn't provide direct Wero integration, though.

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stepri 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not all banks like Open Bank. Works on GrapheneOS

	▲	wolvoleo 10 hours ago \| parent [-]
		But can you pay over NFC without having google play installed?

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ekjhgkejhgk 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I don't want Google monitoring my payments

If you don't want Google monitoring your payment you shouldn't use mobile payments. In fact you shouldn't even use cards, because those likely have agreements with Google for data sharing. If you're serious, it's simple, just use cash.

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jeroenhd 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Mobile payments used to work without any interference from Google through a bank's own implementation of the wireless payment protocols. On iPhone you got stuck with Apple's system (they restricted their NFC stack so competitors couldn't do this) but most phones were paying wirelessly without Google ever seeing a transaction.

Over the years banks phased out their NFC support and all moved to Google Wallet on Android, I think the last bank finished their transition a year and a half ago. A real shame.

	▲	ekjhgkejhgk 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> used to work without any interference from Google Google owns the operating system. If they want to see what the apps are doing, they can. This is like believing that Facebook can't read your whatsapp messages because they're E2E. They own the interface!