Are there any non-Chinese open models that offer comparable performance?

shell0x 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

What's the problem with Chinese models? The models are already open which makes them more trustworthy than the American closed models.

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MarsIronPI 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think you could look into Minstral. There's also GPT-OSS but I'm not sure how well it stacks up.

What's your problem with Chinese LLMs?

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xenospn 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Nothing personally - Our customers send us highly sensitive financial documents to process. Using a foreign model to process their data (or even just for local testing) will most likely result in a u-turn.

	▲	MarsIronPI 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		What if you run them locally, or use a US-based provider that hosts them? IMO the provenance of the weights doesn't matter. You're right that the location of the hoster does, though.

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icase 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

it’s not obvious to you why someone would want to avoid models created by our enemies?

	▲	shell0x a minute ago \| parent \| next [-]
		As an European, I trust China more than America. China doesn't just start bombing other countries and causes regime changes.
	▲	MarsIronPI 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		No, it's not. They're just collections of numbers that can be harnessed to produce outputs. I check the outputs and if they're good I use them. If they're not, I ignore them and there's no harm done. Obviously I don't trust them to be accurate sources of information, but I don't trust American corporate LLMs much more.
	▲	bigyabai 42 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		No, explain it to me. GPT-OSS is one of the most heavily-censored models on the internet, what's the point of buying local if it's crap?

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culi 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

All the western ones are closed while all the Chinese ones are open. The only exception is the European Mistral but performance of that model is not very satisfactory. Hopefully they make some improvements soon