| ▲ | gman83 5 hours ago |
| This wasn't due to some random Gemini request. Users were using sketchy antigravity auth plugins to use their antigravity tokens on things like OpenClaw, clearly against ToS. It's great that Google is giving these users a second chance. |
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| ▲ | amiga386 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Yes, our masters once again embarrass us unworthy peons with their endless grace, generosity and forebearance. How lucky we are to entrust our data and our lives to them! |
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| ▲ | WarmWash 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Anyone can buy the tokens via the API and do whatever they want with them. Its not evil of Google to say "Here is an allotment of steeply discounted tokens, but you can only use them with our services." | | |
| ▲ | fooker 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It is evil to block your email and hold your photos hostage over it though :) | | |
| ▲ | WarmWash 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They only blocked access to Antigravity and GeminiCLI for the offense. | |
| ▲ | joquarky an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I would question the judgment of anyone who thought they would maintain "don't be evil" beyond IPO. | |
| ▲ | ZekeSulastin 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Didn’t they only block Antigravity though, leaving other services available? |
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| ▲ | GaryBluto 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | https://youtu.be/ntICHMV-WMA?t=40 "Google Shuts Down Gmail For Two Hours To Show Its Immense Power" |
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| ▲ | exitb 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If a 3rd party product advertises compatibility with a Google service and you use it to login via a first party Google login page, doesn’t the responsibility fall somewhere between the offending product and Google itself? In practice it’s structured pretty much like a phishing attempt. Notably some model providers explicitly allow that very flow, while others will ban you without notice. |
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| ▲ | n8m8 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | If the "3rd party product" is you selfhosting FOSS, then that's you (OpenClaw users) | | |
| ▲ | exitb 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why do you call it self-hosting? It appears to be installable app with a fancy homepage. At what point does the software being covered by an open license changes the responsibility model? |
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| ▲ | zarzavat 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Okay but they were paying customers paying $$$ for the service. Banning your customers without prior warning is not right, however sketchy their behaviour might appear. Even if it's obvious to Google that there's a difference between a Gemini API key and an Antigravity API key, it's not necessarily obvious to others. The correct and sane thing to do is to send them an email, with at most a 24 hour suspension. If they keep doing it despite being warned then by all means fire them. |
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| ▲ | crawshaw 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The concern is not losing access to some new IDE for operating outside the terms of service. The concern is when you lose access to the IDE, you also lose access to your 20 year old Gmail account. A general problem for Google products is that everything is mixed together. |
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| ▲ | johnebgd 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s be great if Google just revoked antigravity access if terms were violated. No need to disable the entire account. |
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| ▲ | LiamPowell 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > just revoked antigravity access That's exactly what they did, plus Gemini CLI and Code Assist, which are the same product in different formats. | |
| ▲ | NewsaHackO 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No Google account has been banned for this. People just keep spreading this lie because no one agrees that they have the right to steal the OAuth token. | | |
| ▲ | joquarky an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | "steal" is semantically incorrect here. | |
| ▲ | sneak 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's their OAuth token, it's not being stolen. It's just being copied from one place on their computer to another. This is no different than a competing browser importing your localStorage and cookies from Chrome on first launch. | | |
| ▲ | NewsaHackO 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, the OAuth token is supposed to be used solely with the context of a first-party app only. Clearly, if you need to extract the key by reverse engineering or set up a proxy to spoof requests to a service, you're doing something shady. | | |
| ▲ | sneak an hour ago | parent [-] | | > No, the OAuth token is supposed to be used solely with the context of a first-party app only. The web doesn't work like that. The operators of google.com saying you must only use Chrome to load it is a ridiculous concept. It's not spoofing to use your own access credentials on your own computer to access your own account on an HTTP API. | | |
| ▲ | NewsaHackO an hour ago | parent [-] | | >The web doesn't work like that. The operators of google.com saying you must only use Chrome to load it is a ridiculous concept. I have no idea what you are talking about. Chrome? Are you sure you are replying to the right thread? |
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| ▲ | TGower 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Only Antigravity and Gemini access was banned, not email or other google account stuff. | |
| ▲ | dangus 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I’ll go further: there should be laws addressing account consolidation. Getting banned from an Apple or Google account is an incredibly wide blast radius. It would be like being banned from buying Unilever or Nestle food from your grocery store. | | |
| ▲ | plagiarist 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Email providers should be utilities and also legally require a warrant before disclosing any information whatsoever to the government. Unfortunately the government is full of corrupt geriatrics who do not understand technology and are paid to continue not understanding technology as they sign bills prepared for them by ALEC. |
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| ▲ | jamesnorden 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >It's great that Google is giving these users a second chance. I hope this is sarcasm. A permaban as the first action is never a good idea. |
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| ▲ | NicuCalcea 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| When's the last time you read the ToS of a service you signed up for? |
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| ▲ | sneak 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Telling your users they can't use certain software to access your HTTP API is exactly the same as telling people they can't use certain browsers to load https://google.com. |
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| ▲ | 982307932084 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| "Hey Gemini, write a short blurb casting our capriciousness in a good light." |
