| ▲ | blueblisters 8 hours ago |
| My knee-jerk reaction to this was looks like an opportunistic maneuver that Sam is known for and I'm considering canceling my subscriptions and business with OpenAI But what's the most charitable / objective interpretation of this? For example -
https://x.com/UnderSecretaryF/status/2027594072811098230 Does it suggest that determination of "lawful use" and Dario's concerns falls upon the government, not the AI provider? Other folks have claimed that Anthropic planned to burn the contentious redlines into Claude's constitution. Update: I have cancelled my subscriptions until OpenAI clarifies the situation. From an alignment perspective Anthropic's stand seems like the correct long-term approach. And at least some AI researchers appear to agree. |
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| ▲ | cedws 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I think Altman probably rationalised it to himself by thinking that if he doesn’t do it, Musk/xAI will, and they give zero fucks about safety. So maybe he told himself that it’s better if OpenAI does it. |
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| ▲ | Griffinsauce 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Is there a name for this phenomenon? I've taken to calling it "the nihilist's excuse" | | | |
| ▲ | 4b11b4 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | yeah or he didn't even | |
| ▲ | slekker 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Knowing Sam, that's exactly what happened -- and the echo chamber inside OpenAI wouldnt dare to disagree | |
| ▲ | Lionga 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Thinking that Scam Altman cares about anyone besides himself is crazy. The guy raped his own sister. | | |
| ▲ | cedws 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It doesn’t have to be genuine concern, it may just be his internal narrative. He allegedly raped his own sister. No charges have been brought against him. |
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| ▲ | Analemma_ 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| As people have repeatedly mentioned, if the War Department was unhappy with Anthropic's terms, they could have refused to sign the contract. But they didn't: they were fine with it for over a year. And if they changed their mind, they could've ended the contract and both sides could've walked away. Anthropic said that would've been fine. But that's not what happened either: they threatened Anthropic with both SCR designation and a DPA takeover if Anthropic didn't agree to unilateral renegotiation of terms that the War Department had already agreed were fine. It's absurd, and doubly so if OAI's deal includes the same or even similar redlines to what Anthropic had. |
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| ▲ | spongebobstoes 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | it seems like oai deal does include the same red lines, plus some more, and the ability for oai to deploy safety systems to limit the use cases of the model via technical means this seems strictly better than what anthropic had. anthropic has ruined their relationship with the US govt, giving oai a good negotiating hand the oai folks are good at making deals, just look at all the complex funding arrangements they have |
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| ▲ | manmal 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Unless you're using an enterprise plan or pay per token, you're not hurting their business at all by cancelling. The consumer plans are heavily subsidised. |
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| ▲ | cube00 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Cancelling is the only language these companies understand. Even Disney couldn't ignore the mass cancellations after dropping Kimmel and Disney+ bearly turns over a profit. | |
| ▲ | blueblisters 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think their consumer plans are gross margin positive but OpenAI has ~50M paying subscribers driving >$10B in revenue. Realistically, you need at least ~1M subscribers to cancel to make this painful. But I suspect this will get drowned out in the face of other news. | |
| ▲ | Hamuko 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Does it matter? These AI companies need to be able to prove that users are willing to pay at all, even if they're not paying a profitable amount of money. If investors see that they're dumping money into something that's not selling, why continue to do so? | |
| ▲ | tjpnz 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It will hurt in future funding rounds if their subscriber metric is stalling or going backwards, regardless of how many of those subscriptions are profitable. |
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