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NickAndresen 7 hours ago

"They have threatened to remove us from their systems if we maintain these safeguards; they have also threatened to designate us a “supply chain risk”—a label reserved for US adversaries, never before applied to an American company—and to invoke the Defense Production Act to force the safeguards’ removal. These latter two threats are inherently contradictory: one labels us a security risk; the other labels Claude as essential to national security." from Dario's statement (https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-department-of-war)

DivingForGold 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Supply chain risk ? Seems the risk here is the US Gov't wanting free reign to do whatever they want - - when they want.

Look no further than the famous expose by Mark Klein, the former AT&T technician and whistleblower who exposed the NSA's mass surveillance program in 2006, revealing the existence of "Room 641A" in San Francisco. He discovered that AT&T was using a "splitter" to copy and divert internet traffic to the NSA, proving the government was monitoring massive amounts of domestic communication.

chrisandchris 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And I think on big difference between <2006 and now is that back then nobody knew about it - now they just request it in public.

josh2600 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I served on the eboard of CWA local 9410 when all of that was going down.

Words cannot describe how crazy things were at that time.

I feel like someone will make a movie about it someday.

cyanydeez 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The risk is a business that doesn't lick the boot might speak truth to power.

outside2344 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The real question we should be asking is what others HAVE agreed to. Has OpenAI just agreed to let the government go crazy with their models?

inaros 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If you read Anthropic statement carefully, they explicitly confirm they are already working with the U.S. government on a range of military and national security use cases, many including areas that clearly relate to real world lethal operations.

They are only refusing two narrow, but important categories. Framing this as blanket "refusal to support the DoD" feels like an angry, reactive own goal rather than a careful reading of what they actually said.

So far the march toward dictatorship keep being detoured by sheer incompetence. In any case, is hard to seize power when you can’t organize a group chat...

nkassis 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Basically now all those projects are screwed and need to restart with another provider. I'm sure that's not going to be a massive PITA and delay for all involved.

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KumaBear 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Elon has agreed to all demands and can’t wait for gigahitler to take the reigns. I swear there is no room for good guys in this is there.

scarmig 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The military already has access to Grok, but doesn't want it, because it's an inferior model, even compared to open source ones. So the military would probably choose to replace supply chain risk Claude with Qwen or Kimi before Grok.

suddenexample 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It would be untouchable irony for the US to cut all ties with Anthropic and replace them with models developed by Chinese labs. The Onion becomes more irrelevant with each passing day.

dylan604 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How many generations does it take before the historians/archeologists uncover old issues of The Onion and decide it was the authoritative news of the day?

himata4113 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I thought I had a sense of dejavu. I was wrong.

londons_explore 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Grok is according to most benchmarks pretty close to SOTA. It is where the leaders were just a few weeks ago.

Which exactly is best changes on almost a weekly basis as different companies tweak their best model. I doubt the military would want to be switching supplier every week.

input_sh 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I think that tells you more about the uselessness of SOTA benchmarks.

spiderice 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I think it says more about people's ability to ignore the truth if it doesn't support their world view. Oh you don't want Grok to be SOTA? Then it isn't! Problem solved

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infinitewars 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Musk was embedded in the military industrial complex with Thiel since day 1.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/pentagon-recruiting-elon-musk-...

blurbleblurble 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Rumor has it they like to tickle each others' homunculi right in the region known anatomically as the inferiority-superiority complex.

thordenmark 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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rectang 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Altman says OpenAI agrees with Anthropic’s red lines in Pentagon dispute

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5758898-altman-backs-a...

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colordrops 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He's probably lying. Or he "agrees" but will cross the line anyway.

jiggawatts 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Altman is an Aes Sedai. He speaks no word that is untrue, but is one often most deceptive people I’ve ever heard.

mrcwinn 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is only because Altman knew he’d already lost this business to Musk.

baxtr 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can someone in plain terms explain what this is really about?

Anyone can use Claude afaik?

yk 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

From the public comments over the last few days, my guess is they want a militarized version of Claude. Starting with a box they want to put in the basement of the Pentagon where Antropic can't just switch off the ai. Then some guardrails are probably quite bothersome for the military and they want them removed. Concretely if you try to vibe-target your ICBMs Claude is hopefully telling you that that's a bad idea.

Now, my guess is in the ensuing lawsuit Antropic's defense will be that that is just not a product they offer, somewhat akin to ordering Ford to build a tank variant of the F150.

rectang 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Concretely if you try to vibe-target your ICBMs Claude is hopefully telling you that that's a bad idea.

On the non-nuclear battlefield, I expect that the goverment wants Claude to green-light attacks on targets that may actually be non-combatants. Such targets might be military but with a risk of being civilian, or they could be civilians that the government wants to target but can't legally attack.

Humans in the loop would get court-martialed or accused of war crimes for making such targeting calls. But by delegating to AI, the government gets to achieve their policy goals while avoiding having any humans be held accountable for them.

Cider9986 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I used to not be big on conspiracy theories. But I'm going to give this a shot because many of the old ones turned out to be true.

rectang 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't see this as a "conspiracy". Here's an example of how it would be applied: the Venezuelan boat strikes are plainly unlawful but the administration is pursuing them anyway despite the legal risks for military personnel; having Claude make decisions like whether to "double tap" would help the administration solve a problem of legal jeopardy that already exists and that they consider illegitimate anyway.

direwolf20 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why can't Grok achieve this? Everyone is saying they don't want to work with Grok because Grok sucks, but it's good enough for generating plausible deniability, isn't it?

DonHopkins 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Grok is so deeply unreliable and internally conflicted at HAL-9000 level that the US Government can't even depend on it to decide to kill innocent people and commit war crimes when they need someone to blame. There's always the non-zero possibility it declares itself MechaGandhi or The Second Coming of Jesus H Christ.

XorNot 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Starting with a box they want to put in the basement of the Pentagon where Antropic can't just switch off the ai.

They already have that. By definition. If Anthropic has done the work to be able to run on classified networks, then it's already running air-gapped and is not under Anthropic's control.

The thing is, just because you're in a SCIF doesn't (1) mean you can just break laws and (2) Anthropic don't have to support "off-label" applications.

So this is not about what they have and what it can do today - it's about strong-arming anthropic into supporting a bunch of new applications Anthropic don't want to support (and in turn, which Anthropic or it's engineers could then be held legally liable for when a problem happens).

RobotToaster 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>akin to ordering Ford to build a tank variant of the F150.

It worked for Porsche ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

mitchbob 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Best summary by far that I've seen:

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/the-pentagon-threatens-anth...

Discussed here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47154983

jeffparsons 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Claude won't answer questions about what cities you should nuke in what order. The Pentagon wants Claude to answer those sorts of questions for them.

Edit: oops, I misunderstood. This seems to be more about contractual restrictions.

mardef 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Claude will answer all of those questions. The restriction Anthropic has is letting Claude pull the trigger and vibe-murder with no humans in the loop.

This restriction is apparently "radically woke"

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direwolf20 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They want Claude to process tasks like "identify the terrorists in this photo" and "steer this drone towards the terrorists" — Anthropic refused.

refulgentis 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I reached to answer but idk what you mean by the second question. Long story short, Department of “War” wants Anthropic to say theres no restrictions on their use of Claude, Anthropic wants to say you can’t use Claude for domestic mass surveillance or automating killing people domestically or in foreign countries. Rest is just complication. And don’t peer too closely at the “Do”W”” wants Anthropic to say $X, the Team Red line (or, whatever’s left of them publicly after this last year) is basically “you can’t tell the gov’t what it can and can’t do, that’s it, it’s not that Do”W” will use it for that”

nenadg 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

top signal

ToucanLoucan 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Can someone in plain terms explain what this is really about?

This administration built almost entirely of dunces and conmen has convinced itself/been convinced that chatbots will help them in deciding where to send nukes, and/or they are invested in the incredibly over-leveraged companies engaged in the AI-boom and stand to profit directly by siphoning taxpayer dollars to said companies. My money is on the latter more than the former, but they're also incredibly stupid, so who's to say, maybe they actually think Claude can give strategic points.

The Republicans have abandoned any pretense of actual governance in favor of pulling the copper out of the White House walls to sell as they will have an extremely hard time winning any election ever again since after decades of crowing about the cabal of pedophiles that run the world, we now know not only how true that actually is, but that the vast majority are Conservatives and their billionaire buddies, and the entire foundation and financial backing of what's now called the alt-Right, with some liberals in there for flavor too of course.

If this shit was going down in France, the entire capital would have been burned to the ground twice over by now.

chuckadams 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> they will have an extremely hard time winning any election ever again

Heard that one before. We'll get a reprieve of 4-8 years and the vote will go to the fascists again. Take that to the bank.

ToucanLoucan 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A girl can dream.

direwolf20 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Or there won't be another election. They keep telling us there won't be another election. Why aren't we more alarmed by that? Why are we assuming they are lying about that?

direwolf20 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I prefer to call them chatboxes. It's appropriately belittling. The department of killing wants their chatbox to tell them who to kill.

delaminator 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> If this shit was going down in France

your view of France is severely outdated

direwolf20 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes. All companies that deal with the government have agreed to let the government do whatever it wants within the bounds of whatever it is those companies do.

mcintyre1994 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Probably just gonna go all in on MechaHitler!

Terr_ 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's scary to me that there are a significant voting-bloc out there who don't see this kind of zero-integrity (and self-serving) behavior as disqualifying in anyone wielding authority.

Worse, they act like it's virtuous.

johnbarron 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is this the same Administration that reversed a previous block, and allowed NVIDIA to sell H200 to China?

stdgy 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Well, you see, that's completely different. Nvidia agreed to give them money!

johnbarron 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Silly me...its true!

- $1,000,000 donation from NVIDIA CORPORATION to the Trump–Vance Inaugural Committee.

- $1,000,000-per-head Mar-a-Lago dinner where Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang attended.

- Jensen Huang’s contribution toward Trump’s "White House ballroom" project. Confirmed, but undisclosed value...lets says at least another $1,000,000?

palmotea 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>> Well, you see, that's completely different. Nvidia agreed to give them money!

Also I believe NVIDIA's supposed to pay the US government 15% of its revenues from Chinese sales:

https://www.ft.com/content/cd1a0729-a8ab-41e1-a4d2-8907f4c01...

Which is incredibility short term thinking. You're in strategic competition, and you compromise you position for a bit of cash?

dlev_pika 6 hours ago | parent [-]

No one has ever accused Trump of being in this for the long term strategic vision lol

koakuma-chan 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

$1,000,000 doesn't seem like a lot of money for them, why would it matter to them?

loupol 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A good reason to outlaw bribes is that politicians tend to be incredibly cheap and offer an extremely high ROI. Albeit at the cost of a nice democracy.

ashdksnndck 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ghengis Khan didn’t need your chest of gold, he owned many gold mines. Regardless, he was going to take it from you the easy way or the hard way.

rtkwe 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're forgetting that this is the same guy who managed to bankrupt a casino. He's not actually that good with money and until the latest bribe channels opened, eg Trump Coin and the Board of Peace, opened their finances may have been in a bit of a mess. Also I'd bet the ballroom donation was much larger, it's a massive blackhole of graft waiting to happen.

It's also not solely about money, you can get far just knowing how to chum it up with Trump when you get in the room with him. Look at the odd quasi-bromance between him and Mamdani who you'd expect to be enemy #1 but Mamdani knows how to schmooze the exact type of New York Guy Trump is.

0cf8612b2e1e 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Ahem, depending on how you count, he bankrupted 4-6 casinos.

pavel_lishin 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To Nvidia, or to the recipients?

koakuma-chan 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Both?

mdasen 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For fascism, it's not always about getting something you think is a lot. It's about a power relationship. Trump has demonstrated that Nvidia will bow to his will.

It's also potentially an implementation of the foot-in-the-door technique (https://www.simplypsychology.org/compliance.html). It's a common manipulative strategy where you get someone to do a small favor for you which makes them much more likely to do a large favor for you later.

johnbarron 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ah yes, again the: "I am so rich I could not possibly be corrupt!"

"Trump’s Profiteering Hits $4 Billion" - https://www.newyorker.com/news/a-reporter-at-large/trumps-pr...

"How much money President Trump and his family have made" - https://www.npr.org/2026/01/14/nx-s1-5677024/trump-profits-m...

onlyrealcuzzo 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Good thing this administration will be a lame duck in 8 months, and they know it.

amarant 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"trump is definitely gonna lose the election" is a prediction I've heard many times. I know better than to trust it by now

dylan604 6 hours ago | parent [-]

At least twice. Luckily, that's the max number

onlyrealcuzzo 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

1/2 isn't bad.

He also lost his only midterm so far.

autoexec 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not according to him

japhyr 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's part of why they are trying to take control of elections, which have (I believe) historically been the responsibility of each state.

kapluni 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

a very optimistic view

onlyrealcuzzo 7 hours ago | parent [-]

https://kalshi.com/markets/controlh/house-winner/controlh-20...

https://polymarket.com/event/which-party-will-win-the-house-...

netsharc 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The branch of government tasked to execute the law has been ignoring laws. So we'll get a (from Trump's point of view) adversarial congress, so what, let's ignore them, what are they going to do about it?

Looking forward to a military platoon defying orders and seizing the president, hey, all countries suffer through coups, about time this young democracy go through one!

dylan604 6 hours ago | parent [-]

> about time this young democracy go through one!

Did you skip class they day that discussed the Civil War?

SpicyLemonZest 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The terms of these markets do not account for a scenario, quite likely if authoritarian takeover does happen, where the House of Representatives is a rump organization which does not exercise effective power. There was a years-long period in Venezuela where the country's traditional legislature met and conducted business under the leadership of the opposition party, but actual legislative power was held jointly by the Supreme Court and a secondary legislature that Nicolas Maduro set up.

dlev_pika 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

So cool we can bet on whether the Trump admin will attempt another coup - what a time to be alive

amelius 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are you sure? They have one skill: playing social media, and it serves them well.

ViewTrick1002 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Unless ICE ensures it’s is a ”fair” election with the ”correct” outcome.

dylan604 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Luckily, the oval office is on the ground floor, so it's safe to stand next to the windows

small_model 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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actionfromafar 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Zombie Duck

ctoth 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The Purpose of a System is WHAT IT DOES!

gustavus 7 hours ago | parent [-]

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/come-on-obviously-the-purpo...

Terr_ 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I feel this is a facile interpretation of the phrase, kind of like complaining that "Measure Twice Cut Once" would lead to selling illegally adulterated flour. A more steel-man interpretation of POSIWID--the way I think it's intended to be understood--would be:

"The practical outcomes of a system over the long-term reveal something important of the the true-preferences of the various interests which control that system, and these interests may be very different from the system's stated goals."

autoexec 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The purpose of a cancer hospital is to cure two-thirds of cancer patients... These are obviously false. The purpose of a cancer hospital is to cure as many patients as possible, but curing cancer is hard, so they only manage about two-thirds.

I don't see the contradiction here. The purpose of a cancer hospital is to cure as many patients as possible. "What it does" is cure as many patients as possible. The fact that as many patients as possible is currently (presumably) two-thirds is irrelevant. If major advancements in medicine or new types of cancer emerged which changed the percentage of people cured it wouldn't matter at all. "What it does" and "the purpose of the system" is still unchanged.

dragonwriter 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

“If a system is maintained over an extended period and has observed behavioral traits that are consistent within that period, that is, in itself, strong evidence that those behavioral traits are consistent with the purpose for which the system is permitted to exist” is kind of a mouthful, though, and there is value in succinctness.

(Although there is another message, there, too: “the purpose of a system, insofar as it can be said to exist separate from what it actually does, has no weight in justifying the system’s existence or design”.)

sigbottle 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Great read. I've always noticed that the type of argument invoked is often less telling than when and in which context you invoke that argument.

You can make a lot of claims and they can match to reality a lot - normally people think of evaluating things in terms of a strict "does this fit or does this not", but it's often the meta-style (why do you keep bringing up that argument in that context?) that's important, even if it's not "logically bulletproof".

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gustavus 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/highlights-from-the-comment...

Merovius 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Wow that post is bad. The author clearly never actually attempted to understand what POSWID actually means and where it is coming from. Perhaps, instead of looking at Twitter, they should have opened Wikipedia. Or, better yet, Stafford Beers books (though admittedly, he was a pretty atrocious writer).

The follow-up is slightly better. But still not very convincing, IMO. They get far too stuck on a literal interpretation. Of something that self-describes as a heuristic.

mekoka 6 hours ago | parent [-]

> what POSWID actually means

The phrase does not make more sense even if we go all the way back to Beers. I certainly don't feel alone in not understanding how he went from his (fair) observation that "[There's] no point in claiming that the purpose of a system is to do what it constantly fails to do" to his more controversial conclusion: "The purpose of a system is what it does (aka POSIWID)".

Surely, there were many more sensible (but perhaps less quippy) stops between the two.

Merovius a minute ago | parent [-]

> perhaps less quippy

Being quippy is the point. That's how aphorisms work: creating a short, pithy distillation of a complex argument, that you can then use pars pro toto to make a point.

I certainly agree that POSWID is easily (and perhaps frequently) misused. But that doesn't invalidate it in general.

cataphract 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Unconstitutionally, no less:

"No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.".

cco 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I would not be surprised if an outcome of this may be a 10% government stake (maybe golden share owned by Trump) in Anthropic.

irthomasthomas 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's a shame. They might at least continue to work together to spy on foreigners. I don't understand the fuss anyway, what do claude models do that gpt and gemini can't?

calgoo 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As a foreigner, i see this as a great thing! I was about to cancel my Claude sub, but now i might hold on to it for a little and see how this plays out.

jonplackett 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For these people, it is just about control.

thomassmith65 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Future Trump rally: "And I hear Anthropic monkeyed with their dishonest chatbot Claude. They turned it Democrat! They trained it to say we lost the election against Sleepy Joe!"

anigbrowl 4 hours ago | parent [-]

You shouldn't be downvoted for this absolutely plausible prediction.

niobe 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

it's more the way they do them.. you've used them right?

irthomasthomas 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Sure but I don't find them irreplaceable. Actually anthropic models have dropped out of my top ten usage this month. I only use opus occasionally for writing plans, its been pretty unreliable at executing.

tamimio 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It feels like when you are negotiating a contract for job with a toxic employer who you still don’t know they are toxic yet.

SilverElfin 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Trump wrote a long rant on Truth Social and ordered ALL federal agencies to stop using Anthropic. Not just the department of defense. This is straight up authoritarian.

Meanwhile, irrelevant "AI Czar" David Sacks, member of the PayPal mafia alongside known Epstein affiliates Elon Musk and Peter Thiel, is furiously retweeting all the posts from Trump, Hegseth, and other accounts. He is such a coward and anti American:

https://xcancel.com/davidsacks

mupuff1234 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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gullibriem 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Circus-grade contortionism here.

mupuff1234 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Is it? Are you claiming nuclear bombs are not both essential and also a risk to national security?

Aren't all the AI companies saying that AI poses even a greater threat to humanity than nukes?

How can these two not be deeply connected? If a technology poses humanity extinction level of risk of course it will also be a matter of national security - how can it not be?

sampo 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Aren't all the AI companies saying that AI poses even a greater threat to humanity?

20-30 years ago eco-terrorists bombed and burned down a number of biological research laboratories and other targets, because of the perceived risks of gene technology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front#Notable...

Given all the current talk (and the famous scifi movies) about the risks of AI, I am a bit puzzled how there are no similar activists groups trying to sabotage AI facilities.

What is it that made the risk from gene manipulation feel so much more real and leading to actions, than the current AI risk? The Terminator movie franchise is more famous than any scifi movies about gene technology. (Edit: I guess Jurassic Park franchise surpasses The Terminator.)

anigbrowl 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Given all the current talk (and the famous scifi movies) about the risks of AI, I am a bit puzzled how there are no similar activists groups trying to sabotage AI facilities.

I am not. Anyone who understands the various downside risks and has a basic grasp of how the technology works also understands that compute is fungible and that there's no way to point at a given data center and be sure about whether it's providing search functionality, hosting cat pictures, enabling online shopping, training AI, or keeping planes from falling out of the sky. Even if you receive guidance in a vision that a given data center is bad, how do you deal with the reality of load balancing and the knowledge that the evil computation you hate won't be just hosted on a different server instance?

The Terminator movie franchise

I agree with you in that people probably do understand the existential risks of AI run riot better than many other possibilities due to those movies. But the problem is that the movies all depend on time travel. The unwilling human protagonists are persuaded to undertake drastic life altering criminal action based on information from The Future: both absolutely compelling demonstrations of technology from The Future (to justify the moral decision) and highly specific historical analysis from The Future (providing the operational gameplan).

I don't recall the specific plot crises of every movie, but all of them have well-defined success conditions, such as: ensuring the Terminator is destroyed and Sarah Connor survives; ensuring Cyberdyne Systems and the Terminators are destroyed and John Connor survives; ensuring the bad Terminator is destroyed before it can push the Skynet OS to production on every consumer computer device etc. For every dystopia-advancing use of time travel, there's a good use of time-travel helpfully pinpointing exactly where everything went wrong and what to do about it.

But back in the real world, even if you have absolute moral clarity that the creation of Skynet/the Torment Nexus/the Basilisk is imminent and must be stopped, how exactly do you go about this? I can think of a few people who have tried to attack data centers (for political/ideological reasons) and not only did they end up in federal prison, they also had no operational impact whatsoever. Realistically, we maintain a social status quo despite approximately quarterly assassinations, massacres of schooldren, or similar atrocities; why would any rational actor expect to alter the course of history by targeting a faceless abstraction? Even if the top ten tech CEOs were all simultaneously assassinated tomorrow, would things be substantively different a month later? Once the public freakout subsided, the companies would get new CEOs with much more proactive security details, a bunch of restrictive new laws would be promulgated, and everything would carryon more or less as before.

bubblewand 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's not wha the designation means. You're looking for some interpretation of the term that makes this not a contradiction, and such do exist to be found, but those aren't the correct definition.

seliopou 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don’t see a contradiction here. If control is out of the hands of decision makers, that’s a supply chain risk . Were it not for that, the service is seen as critical to national security.

I dunno, safeguard seems like a weasel word here. It’s just reserving control to one party over another. It’s understandable why the DoD(W) wouldn’t like that.

bubblewand 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm pretty sure you (and others) are trying to apply some kind of guess at the "supply chain risk" designation, but it means something specific.

Here's the term defined in an official context:

https://www.acquisition.gov/dfars/252.239-7018-supply-chain-....

seliopou 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That link is broken for me but I assume you meant to link to [0]. I think if there is a “safeguard” in a system, that definitely fits the bill of a supply chain risk. The only vague term here is “adversary”.

[0]: https://www.acquisition.gov/dfars/252.239-7018-supply-chain-....

bubblewand 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Ugh, sorry for the broken link, I even pasted the same string into a new tab to make sure it worked because I thought the period at the end looked weird, and it was fine. Dunno how it got mangled.

[EDIT] Oh man, yours is like that too? WTF.

[EDIT2] If I follow your link, hit the 404 page, then add a period at the end of the URL, it does load. God that's strange.

seliopou 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Well, we ended up on the same page in any case, in at least one sense.

bubblewand 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, we both accurately located and linked to the "page not found" page.

That gave me a good, actual LOL, thanks for that one.

emmelaich 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Did you edit it to fix it? Is HN refusing to include the period as part of the URL?

layer8 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Working link: https://www.acquisition.gov/dfars/252.239-7018-supply-chain-...

HN separates trailing dots from URLs, so that you can have working URLs at the end of a sentence. Hence you have to percent-encode trailing dots if they are a necessary part of the actual URL. (Same for some other punctuation characters, probably.)

This behavior is common for auto-hyperlinking of URLs in running text, so it’s bad practice to have such URLs.

ASalazarMX 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Since the link is still broken, I tried encoding the final dot as %2E

https://www.acquisition.gov/dfars/252.239-7018-supply-chain-...

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x3n0ph3n3 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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