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thrance 3 hours ago

I don't know why you're using the past tense here, I was still trying to talk some sense into these people barely two days ago. It's hopeless at this point.

netsharc 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If you have 3 hours, there's a documentary you can watch, about a man who was sanctioned by the government to kill a lot of "communists" in 1960's Indonesia: The Act of Killing (available at e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TDeEObjR9Q ).

It's sort of understandable why the defenders of the genocide have to keep defending it. Stopping doing so today would mean admitting that until yesterday you've been defending utter inhumanity.

A review:

> Joshua Oppenheimer’s The Act of Killing is a challenging documentary. It is not only difficult to watch, but it also probes into one of the most grotesque aspects of human nature: the capacity for self-delusion in the face of horrific atrocities. This isn’t a film about history, facts, or statistics; it’s about the memories of the men who killed, the stories they tell themselves, and how they continue to live with the horrors they’ve inflicted on others. The film’s power lies in its ability to take the viewer beyond a surface-level understanding of evil and into the psychological abyss of those who have committed atrocities—and seemingly moved on with their lives.

From: https://docthisway.com/2024/09/23/the-act-of-killing-review/

themgt an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The Act of Killing is near the top of my list of underappreciated films. Permanently haunting.

cess11 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's one of my favourite documentaries, almost as good as The Death of Yugoslavia.

For whatever reason YouTube has put age limits on some of the uploads of it, here's the start of one without it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj9Zw5fN3rE

vibeprofessor 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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ceejayoz 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I linked to an article from an Israeli news outlet citing the IDF considering that death toll to be accurate.

vibeprofessor 3 hours ago | parent [-]

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ceejayoz 3 hours ago | parent [-]

And the IDF?

They're hardly the only ones reporting this.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/30/middleeast/israeli-military-g...

> Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth quoted military officials Thursday as saying, “We estimate that about 70,000 Gazans were killed in the war, not including the missing.” Kan 11, the country’s public broadcaster, attributed the information to the Coordinator of Government Affairs in the Territories (COGAT) and said there is now an effort to analyze how many of those killed were civilian or militant.

And the IDF ain't contesting it:

> “The IDF clarifies that the details published do not reflect official IDF data,” the spokesperson said. “Any publication or report on this matter will be released through official and orderly channels.” The spokesperson did not answer if the IDF held data about the number of Palestinians killed in Gaza or if such information would ever be released.

idop 2 hours ago | parent [-]

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ceejayoz 2 hours ago | parent [-]

1. No, it doesn't.

2. "Kan 11, the country’s public broadcaster, attributed the information to the Coordinator of Government Affairs in the Territories (COGAT)"

(That's a state-owned news outlet, to be clear; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kan_11)

3. See above.

4. Accurate.

5. Re-read that statement. At no point does it contest the toll.

idop 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Where is the source? Show me the actual source. Showing me that one news agency is reporting that another news agency reported something, with no way to verify anything in that chain, does and proves nothing. It's a claim with no backing.

The official quote clearly states "the details do not reflect official data". If you see it as "no contest" we're gonna have to chalk it up to cultural differences in parsing language.

ceejayoz 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> The official quote clearly states "the details do not reflect official data".

Officially, Israel has no nuclear weapons. (lol)

idop 2 hours ago | parent [-]

At the end of the day, you made a conscious choice to accept the claim that the IDF confirmed the death toll as truth, and to spread it online as such, despite not having any actual proof. That was Hamas strategy since 0day, long before Israel even managed to clear the last Hamas terrorist from its borders after the attack: just make anti-Israel claims. Just make them. Everybody will accept them, no questions asked.

ceejayoz an hour ago | parent [-]

At the end of the day, I make the conscious choice to trust three different Israeli news outlets, CNN, the fact that the IDF isn't offering a different estimate, and satellite photos of the destruction in Gaza.

The IDF is most welcome to publish a claim and have it dissected. I would remind you we're on a thread where their "official data" fell apart because of direct video evidence of their war crimes obtained from their dead victims' phones.